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Let Let Let - Warplanes => Warplane Art => Topic started by: No.1 on April 27, 2011, 01:19:38 PM

Title: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on April 27, 2011, 01:19:38 PM

Dear friends,

this is my brand new start on the completely new series of the profiles of this famous fighter aircraft. Start today with this basic shapes.

 :-flo

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: Sall on April 27, 2011, 04:27:24 PM

Niceeee! :-flo
Is this for some book?

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on April 27, 2011, 04:39:30 PM

Quote from: Sall on April 27, 2011, 04:27:24 PM

Niceeee! :-flo
Is this for some book?

No, something more important- Warplanes No.02

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: draken35 on April 27, 2011, 05:33:03 PM

Promising...

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on April 27, 2011, 05:59:58 PM

More update on file :))

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: Jicehem on April 27, 2011, 06:31:02 PM

Hi mate,

Very good project.

Cheers,

Jicéhem

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: Sall on April 27, 2011, 07:04:39 PM

You are right.It is important! :-ok

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on April 27, 2011, 08:10:05 PM

Bolts and nuts phase

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on April 27, 2011, 08:42:29 PM

Just start with shadows ;)

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: draken35 on April 28, 2011, 07:27:14 AM

So fine... I like it!

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on April 28, 2011, 07:38:21 AM

Thank you :)

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: Jicehem on April 28, 2011, 07:56:53 AM

Hi No. 1,  :-salut :-salut :-salut

I see in the color chart what seems to be a "RLM 83" color. I must say you there is no RLM 83 in the schemes of the Fw 190 D-9... nor for another plane such as Me 262, Fi 156, Ar 234, Bü 181, very late Bf 109s, Fw 190 F, etc.

Cheers,

Jicéhem  :-wave :-wave :-wave

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on April 28, 2011, 08:01:47 AM

This is valuable info and thank you for this. I was not sure about use of this color so I put it just in case but in next update I will remove this color, I will left just last in row, industrial protection color, wrongly described as RLM 84

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: Jicehem on April 28, 2011, 08:31:05 AM

Quote from: No.1 on April 28, 2011, 08:01:47 AM

I will left just last in row, industrial protection color, wrongly described as RLM 84

Yes, some "historians" have made great damage to the truth... RLM 84 didn't exist at all.
Some years ago, before I began my work on German camouflages for the French review "Aéro-Journal", I've contacted some "experts" in German colors about RLM 83 asking simply what tone it was : green or gray ?  For some, I'm always awaiting the answer... One of them prided himself in having reconstituted this color. I asked him where he found the formulae which apparently has been lost... I'm always awaiting the answer !
Personnally, basing my idea on the restaured He 162 A of the "Musée de l'air" at Le Bourget, I think RLM 83 was a gray color but dark enough to very well see white markings on it as it's specified in the Sammelmitteilung Nr. 2 on 15th August 1944 (RLM didn't named colors, they gave only in the texts the reference number, and it's why we find only the reference "RLM 83", without the description of the color. We know only it's a dark color...) Well ; on this He 162 (WNr 120015) there is a totally unknown medium gray color on the fuselage sides. That's not RLM 76 very well identified on the forward fuselage and vertical fin and rudder assemblies. Other colors found are RLM 81 on the engine cowlings, RLM 82 on the back of the fuselage and... RLM 70 and RLM 65 on the wooden wings.
We don't know if a hypothetical third Sammelmitteilung ever existed, by which color 83 had to be applied...
Have a good day,

Jicéhem  :-wave

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on April 28, 2011, 08:56:46 AM

This is normal that some very loud 'expert' don't show any evidence, we have here on local forums also. Info provided from restoring He 162 is excellent and do you have any other relics in your museums? I know that there was number of German aircraft tested and flown there.

Updated profile with removed color. I hear that there is color images which shown this type with two topside greens but no further info about.

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: Jicehem on April 28, 2011, 09:35:17 AM

Regarding colors after August 1944 there are many misinterpretations because during a transition period some "assembly" of colors were authorized to eliminate too very important stocks of paints (That's described in Sammemitteilung Nr. 1 of (1st ?) July 1944. Uppersurfaces of planes (except fighters which remained in RLM 74, 75 and 76 until 15th August 1944 the date of suppression of RLM 74) were allowed to be painted RLM 70 and RLM 82 or RLM 71 and RLM 81. But after 15th August 1944, fighters were allowed to be painted RLM 81, 75 or 82, 75 with undersurfaces in RLM 76 in both cases. So that some Fw 190 D-9 could have been painted RLM 81, 75 or 82, 75... until about October-November 1944. In November 1944 new colors of 81, 82 and 76 are applied by Fw on the Fw 190 D-9. There is evidently a missing "Sammelmitteilung Nr. 3" dated October or November 1944...

Have a good day,

Jicéhem  :-wave

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on April 28, 2011, 05:01:13 PM

Thank you very much, your info is very important in this subject. From my side here you are new profile update. If I have luck I will complete this tonight

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: Sall on April 28, 2011, 05:12:28 PM

Nice work! :-clap

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on April 28, 2011, 08:37:17 PM

Basic layout completed...

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: Jicehem on April 28, 2011, 10:17:58 PM

Hi No; 1, :-salut

Very fine layout. The result will be terrific !

Cheers,

Jicéhem  :-wave

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: tenk on April 29, 2011, 12:47:36 AM

impressive :-clap

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: draken35 on April 29, 2011, 08:13:22 AM

Splendid, once again...

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: santynus on April 29, 2011, 12:16:05 PM

Really nice work No.1  :-ok :-clap :-wave

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on April 29, 2011, 02:31:39 PM

Thank you friends :)) I have just back home, my PC crashed, I sleep just few hours. RAM memory was changed and machine work better now. Hope I will have strength to continue work today...

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on April 30, 2011, 01:53:28 PM

This is very first Dora Fw190V53, made by conversion of Fw190A. Its maiden flight was in June 1944. It have old camouflage of RLM 74 and 75 with replacement metal panels in natural metal or RLM 02. Also note armament of four cannons.

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: Jicehem on April 30, 2011, 03:49:43 PM

Hi mate,  :-salut

Very good !
One detail : the V53's spinner had a big hole at the tip (maybe for MK 103 or 108). Don't you think it was not visible from sideview ? Slightly cutting off the very tip of the spinner ?
If I remember well, the very first prototype with a Jumo 213 A was the Fw 190 V17, WNr 0039 : bare metal overall, no markings and no fuselage extension. Fin had a greater surface à la Ta 152.

(http://i27.servimg.com/u/f27/10/07/63/16/img_0216.jpg)
©unknown ; used only to illustrate a text.

Cheers,

Jicéhem  :-wave

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on April 30, 2011, 05:02:00 PM

I know this machine and it is interesting. My error in  work, here it is correct profile

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: Sall on May 01, 2011, 07:25:00 AM

Splendid... :-clap :-clap

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: draken35 on May 01, 2011, 07:25:49 AM

Yes, excellent work!!!

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on May 01, 2011, 07:32:25 AM

... and more coming :))

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: lauhof on May 01, 2011, 09:56:52 AM

Very good work!! :-obey

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on May 02, 2011, 08:30:22 PM

Thank you  :-razz This is machine from 10./JG 54, pilot Lt. Theo Nibel and this machine took part in the operation Bodenplate. As well it could be expected that this machine is suffer from cannon or machine gun shells, actually it is downed by- bird strike  :-smey And this machine become first Dora to be captured and examined by Ally

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: lauhof on May 02, 2011, 10:05:06 PM

 :-clap :-clap

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: Sall on May 02, 2011, 10:09:58 PM

 :-clap :-clap

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: santynus on May 03, 2011, 01:16:45 PM

great work No.1   :-ok :-clap :-wave

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on May 03, 2011, 02:43:11 PM

Thank you :))

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on May 04, 2011, 03:10:26 PM

Sample machine from JG 2

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: Sall on May 04, 2011, 03:32:55 PM

Beautiful work!!!Bravo! :-clap :-clap :-clap

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on May 06, 2011, 10:36:01 AM

Thank you :)) This one is from I./EKG(J)

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: Paul Andrews on May 06, 2011, 04:45:37 PM

Nicely done.

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: draken35 on May 06, 2011, 04:46:22 PM

Very special color scheme on the wing...

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on May 06, 2011, 05:09:20 PM

Thank you friends ;) Wings is done in regards to the late war production fashion :))

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: lauhof on May 06, 2011, 06:55:08 PM

My compliments, very well done! :-ok

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on May 07, 2011, 11:45:58 AM

Thank you ;) This sample is from IV./JG 3

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: Sall on May 07, 2011, 12:01:07 PM

Excellent! :-clap :-clap

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: draken35 on May 07, 2011, 12:16:30 PM

Yes, splendid!

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: lauhof on May 07, 2011, 12:41:51 PM

Beautiful! :-clap

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on May 07, 2011, 03:35:55 PM

Thank you :)) Here you are sample from JG 4

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: draken35 on May 07, 2011, 04:01:09 PM

The Dora was so elegant...

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: Paul Andrews on May 07, 2011, 04:15:26 PM

I think there's a few photos of this aircraft in the Manrho/Putz book "Operation Bodenplatte."

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on May 07, 2011, 04:18:19 PM

I see sample images in JaPo book about this plane

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: Paul Andrews on May 07, 2011, 04:57:55 PM

The JaPo books are fantastic, no doubt.

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on May 07, 2011, 05:58:05 PM

I have both ;)

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on May 07, 2011, 06:36:04 PM

And this is all for this month. Next month more profiles of the type will to come  :-flo

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: Sall on May 07, 2011, 06:41:38 PM

Bravo,bravo...! :-clap :-clap

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: lauhof on May 07, 2011, 07:01:07 PM

Magnificent job!! :-salut

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: draken35 on May 07, 2011, 08:26:09 PM

You're an artist!!!

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on May 07, 2011, 08:31:37 PM

Thank you :-flo

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: Paul Andrews on May 07, 2011, 09:24:00 PM

Yes, a very neat profile. Great work.

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on May 07, 2011, 09:33:17 PM

Thank you :))

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on June 05, 2011, 10:37:44 PM

New one  :-razz

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: Sall on June 05, 2011, 10:53:21 PM

 :-ok

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: draken35 on June 06, 2011, 05:23:59 PM

 :-love

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on June 08, 2011, 12:50:00 PM

Thank you :)) And here you are again profile of Rudel machine and you will see some differences compared with previous one. Image source stay the same, bad quality image but on new monitor much more could be seen then on previous one. In past I have similar issues with scanner type.

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: draken35 on June 08, 2011, 05:12:49 PM

As usual, nice work!

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: Sall on June 08, 2011, 05:15:13 PM

Quote from: draken35 on June 08, 2011, 05:12:49 PM

As usual, nice work!

+1!!

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on June 08, 2011, 05:22:47 PM

Thanks :))

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: santynus on June 10, 2011, 07:09:57 AM

I like so much your last Dora  :-ok :-ok Bravo No.1  :-clap :-wave

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on June 10, 2011, 07:14:15 AM

Thanks :))

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: POMPEO on June 14, 2011, 06:44:16 PM

awesome profiles srecko, looks great

cheers

Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 D
Post by: No.1 on June 14, 2011, 07:06:38 PM

Thank you :)