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Title: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on February 28, 2007, 11:06:48 PM
Hi all :)
I just begin one new project, the McDonnell F3H-Demon :)
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: mfg495 on March 01, 2007, 09:27:31 AM
Heres an image I found on this aircraft. Cannot wait to see your profile my friend.  :-think
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on March 01, 2007, 09:52:33 AM
thank you for this photo Mick :)
all the photo draw and notice about this subject are welcome  ;) :-wave
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: No.1 on March 02, 2007, 09:53:52 AM
I am waiting too  :-crazy
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on March 03, 2007, 06:19:30 PM
work in  progress  :)) :-wave
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: No.1 on March 03, 2007, 06:51:10 PM
Did I miss some lesson :-think ... why red panels  :-eek
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on March 03, 2007, 07:25:05 PM
don't worry No.1 you don't miss any lesson :))
I use red pannel only when I make it for look if I forgot someting   ;) :-wave
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on March 04, 2007, 01:19:47 AM
one little update...  :-green
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: No.1 on March 08, 2007, 10:27:41 PM
You have stop a little bit with this project?
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on March 09, 2007, 09:59:38 AM
You have stop a little bit with this project?

 :-eek yes I'm stopped...  :-/ this week I return home very tired... I hope this week end to make some new update on this aircraft... :-green
I like so much this aircraft and I wanna make one good work  :-love :-wave
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on March 10, 2007, 11:25:46 PM
Hi all  :)
new update  :-crazy  :-wave
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on March 11, 2007, 11:07:38 PM
other update...  :-crazy :-wave
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: No.1 on March 11, 2007, 11:16:16 PM
Nice but do you have in layer properties something like Style- Outer Glow....
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on March 11, 2007, 11:40:57 PM
yes I have that style (I use english version of photoshop) I just apply this style...  :-roll I hope is what you want to see :-think
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: No.1 on March 12, 2007, 12:08:49 AM
In this way this layer have to be under the layer with main shadows and highlight and in final work use merge Visible [not Flatten Layers!!!!]. So set the transparency on some 60% and make a copy of this layer and put on the front of all layers but with removed Style and transparency 40%.

Am I becoming a dictator...
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: mfg495 on March 12, 2007, 06:59:01 PM
Am I becoming a dictator...

You are No.1  :-wise (must get my spell right, must be old age)
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: No.1 on March 12, 2007, 07:04:05 PM
Hahaha- well maybe we becoming more professional :))
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on March 13, 2007, 08:29:53 PM
ok my dictator... :P ;) I try to apply another time your suggestion...   :-crazy :-green I hope now look good  :-think   :-wave
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: No.1 on March 13, 2007, 09:34:42 PM
Look very nice :) Just go ahead and keep your eye on details.
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on March 15, 2007, 10:49:28 PM
new update... :-crazy :-green
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: No.1 on March 15, 2007, 11:08:15 PM
It might to be that the exhaust will be the best detail on this plane. But overall view is nice. This is good subject as well this plane is one of the many forgoten which nobody work :(
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: mfg495 on March 16, 2007, 01:35:08 PM
Looking good my friend  :))
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on April 30, 2007, 05:37:15 PM
some little update...  :-green
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on April 30, 2007, 10:17:12 PM
Mcdonnel F3H-2 Demon of VF-31 'Felix' embarked on USS Saratoga (CVA-60) in 1960
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: No.1 on April 30, 2007, 10:27:04 PM
 :-clap I just wonder what will say Don  :-razz
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on April 30, 2007, 10:30:55 PM
thank you No.1  :) :-red
but I have to work so much on this aricraft again...  :-think
I have to check for the correct stencil... and put more detail...  :-crazy :-green
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: felixdk on May 01, 2007, 12:14:20 PM
This is a wonderful image, Santynus;  2 of my favorite things, a neglected aircraft and Felix the Cat  :-green  :-salut.
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on May 01, 2007, 12:35:04 PM
thank you for your comment felixdk  :)) :-red


I make some update on color profile  :))
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: No.1 on May 01, 2007, 12:39:28 PM
Watch that nice panel lines...  :-razz
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: No.1 on May 01, 2007, 12:41:15 PM
Santino- would you be kind to place here one large detail of the panels around the Felix badge?
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: mfg495 on May 01, 2007, 01:32:56 PM
Great artwork my friend  :-ok
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on May 01, 2007, 02:22:53 PM
thank you Mick  :)) :-red

this is the section with the large detail of the panels around the Felix badge 
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: No.1 on May 01, 2007, 04:03:33 PM
Here we go- first I have note that too much of highlight spread around the panels. If you have used Style in the layer with panels then you have to reduce spread- never over 5 pixels. Also you need counter light. All panels have sharp edges and in many cases on the edge is formed line of highlight. Make it as you seen on image. Use Pen stroke and set cover of brush 15% and size ob brush not over the 3 pixels. Note- use airbrush.

Also miss shadow behind fence on the wing leading edge. Wing need more deep contrast. You have to no that this is the are which disappear in the perspective and as far is it that dark is it. Note now how it look like the lower wing area.

Missing point of many of aviation art is the harmony of the airplane with object on it. So to avoid plastic look you have to add on the surrounding camouflage color a dash of the other color object. This Light Gull Grey camouflage color include in my version a little bit of red- this red is included in the markings and need to give some shadow to make compact composition.

 :-blah :-blah .. go to drink coffee... and you study this. Just to know- I am proud on you  ;)
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: bogsituacije on May 04, 2007, 12:11:16 AM
Very cool and very nice profile.
Respect man.
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on May 05, 2007, 01:32:11 AM
thank you bogsituacije  :))

I don't like coffe...  :-/ but I can study your tecnique No.1 :-green :-wave
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: felixdk on May 05, 2007, 07:50:57 PM
Santynus,

  If you need any references on this bird, let me know.  While getting together references for my Sabres, I came accross a book on the Demon that I'd forgotten I had.  It's in Japanese, but has good pictures  :).
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on May 06, 2007, 11:48:11 PM
thank you so much felixdk  :) all the help you can give is welcome  :-jump :-wave

I make some experiment on my last Demon draw... I hope the aircraft look better
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: No.1 on May 06, 2007, 11:57:28 PM
 :-razz :-clap
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: felixdk on May 07, 2007, 09:25:10 PM
Santynus,
  Here are some images.  Panel lines on naval aircraft seem to become much more prominent than on AF aircraft.  Salt air is supposed to be healthy for you, but I'm not sure that it's healthy for an airplane    :). 
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: felixdk on May 07, 2007, 09:26:44 PM
And more.
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: felixdk on May 07, 2007, 09:27:41 PM
One more
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: No.1 on May 07, 2007, 09:37:01 PM
Felix- damn good material!!! Santino... well you will have a bulk of work now :))
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on May 07, 2007, 10:37:06 PM
wow felix fantastic image  :-jump :-tri if you can could you please send me via email this matirial inn high resolution? thank you in advance  :))  :-wave
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: mfg495 on May 08, 2007, 11:11:37 AM
Great reference material  :-ok
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on February 27, 2008, 09:57:45 PM
after long time... :-paper  I update a little bit my color profile and make one new F3H flown by VF-14 "Tophatters"   :-tri:-wave
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: No.1 on February 27, 2008, 09:59:10 PM
Nice update mate ;)
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: Letipapa on February 28, 2008, 09:03:04 AM
Yesss! Santyno! :-clap :-clap :-clap :-obey :-jump :-ok :-wave
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: Wingman81 on February 28, 2008, 09:25:42 PM
Nice mates  :-ok
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on February 29, 2008, 06:05:05 PM
thank you guys  :-red :-wave
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: No.1 on March 01, 2008, 07:04:21 AM
See this :)
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on March 01, 2008, 02:41:35 PM
nice photos mate  :-clap :))
I'm looking for some photos about the stencil of this aircraft. It'll be greatful if someone could help me.
cheers :-wave
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: Wingman81 on March 01, 2008, 03:55:42 PM
Nice photos...Machines are from CVN-65 U.S.S. Enterprise  ;)
Oh wait correction ....they are from the old Roosevelt.

Check this fine page Santy:
http://f3hdemon.homestead.com/
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: No.1 on March 01, 2008, 04:00:48 PM
USS Ranger, CVA 61
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: Wingman81 on March 01, 2008, 04:15:12 PM
From what year are photos Srecko?
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: No.1 on March 01, 2008, 04:23:47 PM
Late 50.
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: Wingman81 on March 01, 2008, 05:34:11 PM
Ok thanks....i learned a lot about Navy fighter markings of the late 50s today  ;) I made several mistakes. 1st of all. Never trust a single source :) 2nd Tailcodes of navy planes have not necessarily something to say about an attached carrier. 3rd i would never want to work in navy research center  ;)

In the late 50s navy was renaming their tailcodes. Therefore the CVG-1 Wing went from tail wing "T" -> "AB". Tailcodes starting with A should belong to the Atlantic fleet, starting with N to Pacific fleet.

CVW-1 was originally the "Ranger Air Group", serving aboard USS Ranger during the early years of carrier aviation. The air wing also operated aboard all three carriers in commission at that time - USS Langley, USS Lexington, and USS Saratoga.

From 1946 and 1957, Air Wing ONE served aboard nine different carriers, including the first "Super Carrier", USS Forrestal, during the 1956-57 Suez Crisis. Between June 1966 and February 1967, CVW-1 conducted combat operations off the coast of Vietnam aboard USS Franklin D. Roosevelt. In 1975 onboard USS John F. Kennedy, CVW-1 introduced the Navy’s newest tactical aircraft, the F-14A Tomcat and the S-3A Viking, to the Mediterranean.

Until 20 June 1958 USS Ranger was operating in the caribbean sea operating from Guantanamo Bay. 20. August went into Alameda (California) where it was comissioned to the Pacific fleet. Until end of the year flight training off the Californian coast, in Januar 1959 Ranger went to Okinawa, to train maneuvres with naval units of the SEATO-States. On 27. Juli returned to San Francisco and stayed in alert status.

I would figure then photos were most likely before 1959 because AB is Atlantic fleet. If they were stationed on USS Ranger or rotating at this time i could not determine in the quickness.

PS:Sorry for off topic i couldnt resist to make a little research of everything  ;)
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: No.1 on March 01, 2008, 06:42:50 PM
No worry mate- nice text ;)
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: Wingman81 on March 01, 2008, 08:35:56 PM
Some from German wikipedia. Note pic no.3 has still old 1 letter Tailcode.
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: santynus on March 01, 2008, 09:42:40 PM
thank you for the link Wingman81  :) I already know that webpage, if you are interested in this aircraf check this links  ;)

http://www.philsaeronauticalstuff.com/f3h/f3h.html
http://www.military.cz/usa/air/post_war/f3/f3_en.htm
http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/howard_mason/f3h-2n/
http://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraft/f3h/f3h.shtml

cheers :-wave
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: Wingman81 on March 01, 2008, 10:26:20 PM
thank you for the link Wingman81  :) I already know that webpage, if you are interested in this aircraf check this links  ;)

http://www.philsaeronauticalstuff.com/f3h/f3h.html
http://www.military.cz/usa/air/post_war/f3/f3_en.htm
http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/howard_mason/f3h-2n/
http://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraft/f3h/f3h.shtml

cheers :-wave

Thanks! Im interested in most us navy carrier warplanes.  ;)
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: Letipapa on March 02, 2008, 09:13:30 AM
Great links, santyno :-clap :-ok :-wave
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: mfg495 on March 04, 2008, 06:02:42 PM
Great links, santyno :-clap :-ok :-wave

Yes my friend, excellent links, thanks for posting them.  :-ok

I forgot that I had this image, I took it about two years ago, we were on a family holiday to New Year.

Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: Letipapa on March 05, 2008, 11:21:13 PM
mfg495 my friend,You remainded me now to try to find my photo's from USA trip in 1978, when I visited Washington D.C. aerospace museum (or what is exact name, I forgot :-red).
It may be that I shot something interesting??? :-think :-think :-think, now really I must find and check. :) :-wave
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: mfg495 on March 08, 2008, 04:57:51 PM
mfg495 my friend,You remainded me now to try to find my photo's from USA trip in 1978, when I visited Washington D.C. aerospace museum (or what is exact name, I forgot :-red).
It may be that I shot something interesting??? :-think :-think :-think, now really I must find and check. :) :-wave

I have been to that museum (National Air and Space Museum) about 10 years ago. I was lucky to be in Washington on duty for two weeks. However, I had a lot of time off. A great city to visit if you like museums.
Title: Re: F3H-Demon
Post by: Letipapa on March 10, 2008, 02:58:18 AM
Indeed. I was just one day and half, I spent all in museums. It is good that they are grouped, but, You know, there is a lot of museums and my legs were like I marched over mountains.Pity I didn't have more time. Still, I'.m satisfied I saw a lot. :) :-wave