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Title: Political names
Post by: zetman on July 27, 2011, 04:39:26 PM
Dragan mate,although you have done a wonderful work in your hind,as I have seen in other forums too,I would like to express my great disappointment regarding your title. :-roll
I suppose your intention is good,and you would like to write F.Y.R.O.M which means Former Yugoslavian Republic Of Macedonia.Can't think anything else.Think that till now our good neighboors don't realise that they are against national treatments and regulations. :-think
Their "airport" (ex skopje) Alexander the great now, is also illegaly named,as with this name exists KAVALA's airport in North Greece,as also Macedonia is called Thessaloniki's airport.And these are not my words,you can look in ICAO statues and national air manuals as MAIPs.
USA also express their dissapointment in Skopia attitude for not finding a compromising solution of their name.
It's like one day Greece manages to name one of their states Belgrade or Nis,and rename one of its airports Nikola Tesla.How would you find that? :-eek
So please without missunderstandings ask you politely to rename your title,and don't use it as it does not exist.
Just remembered that I have seen  posted a Su25 with this name too.
For God's sake!... :-/
Title: Political names
Post by: No.1 on July 27, 2011, 04:45:36 PM
Zetman- to regret this details can not be solved on this forum at all. I know that harsh situation is among the two countries in regard to this name but as you know no one of us wanted that and we are not responsible for that. Even the proposed name FYROM include Macedonia in its name so this is just masking the problem (from my point of view). Hope that you and Dragan will find solution in this way and from my side I would do my best to keep on friendly atmosphere on forum.
Title: Political names
Post by: zetman on July 27, 2011, 05:10:30 PM
Dear No1 and whole forum,
I know that this is not the apropriate place to write such,and No1 my intentions as I have mentioned in our pm conversation before,is not to spoil or ruin the friendly atmosphere in forum.
Also I have nothing to seperate with Dragan,I don't even know him personaly.
Neither WE will find a solution for that problem suppose,its someone's else bussiness to do that.

But,what do you mean ...masking the problem?Whatever name FYROM wants(I really don't bother),this one is not authorized by law,unlawful, or more generally by rules and for my point of view,feel furious when it is used.

In conclusion,to make myself clear.
If one part of the forum wants to write something,other parts have to comply,or not dissagree with that?Suppose that we are free to express our thoughts,or complains.

For information and only,in other forums when similar situation appeared,moderators took place,asking the writter what I have done.

All that I ask,is all of us to be a little bit careful when we are typping anything.
Title: Political names
Post by: No.1 on July 27, 2011, 05:41:12 PM
This problem have its own page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute
Title: Political names
Post by: draken35 on July 27, 2011, 05:58:11 PM
Well, if I can give my point of view...

I'm Belgian and, as you know, there is growing problems between Flemishes and Wallonians (I'm Wallonian). So I can understand susceptibility in some situations - But please, not here. It's a hobby forum, not a political one. I will not be bored if someone builds a what-if Flemish aircraft here... Dragan haves for sure no bad intention - I have to add that I presented myself here a Macedonian BTR, and I see no reason to modify the title of that topic. I'm fully neutral; the words are simply used as they are: without no unfriendly nor aggressive intention. Let the political point of view to politicians: they are just good for that: politic. To speak about all, to criticize all, but to be fully ineffective - Point of view based on a careful study of Belgian politicians...
Title: Political names
Post by: Sall on July 27, 2011, 06:24:24 PM
I agree with Daniel. ;)
Only one conclusion. As we all know, 99 ', the SRJ was at war with NATO. There are many members who live in the member states of NATO, but I never mentioned to them  anything about bombing of my country. The charges do not even want to talk about. This is a wonderful forum, primarily models-plane, so I think politics has no place here. If the UN failed to resolve this problem, I doubt that we will succeed.
The best would be that the moderator remove the posts(including mine!) where this issue is not the place, and to continue in the direction of modeling. Such a shame that spoil the good work of our colleagues Dragan. :-flo
I hope that is ok idea to remove all offtopic! :-think
Title: Political names
Post by: zetman on July 27, 2011, 07:25:02 PM
I had no intention to spoil the wonderful site.Just asked for the common right thing to be done.
Also my intention is NOT TO SOLVE ΤΗΕ PROBLEM,but instead to avoid such provocative naming, as the constitutional name is FYROM or REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA,but NOT MACEDONIA.
Is there anywhere else in the world any nation apart Belgium, which is called Begium?
And when you refer to Macedonia...which one do you mean? Skopje?
Then we should better alter the name of Greek Macedonia and Thessaloniki's or Kavala's airport names,because they want the name of "Alexander the great".Or even release the territory.
Or alter history better?
In conclusion,as I told moderator I will have to leave the forum and not bother you again with my objections.
Knowing that this wont heart your feelings,it will be a personal relief.
Title: Political names
Post by: zetman on July 27, 2011, 07:32:33 PM
If I have red your thread about the BTR before this one,I would have told you the same things.
You would be neutral if you name it FYROM's BTR.
And as you are a Belgian,I am a Macedonian.And do not bear it.I am not a political matter.
Sometimes words are not simply used as they are,and other meanings are hidding beneath.
I see many reasons to modify the title of that topic.
If someone does not react,begins to legalizing it,and turn it to political correct.But it is NOT.
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: Sall on July 27, 2011, 07:43:25 PM
I think that you not understand me. Is this the place where will be able to resolve the problem? I doubt that our colleague Dragan had a bad intention.
I do not understand what you want to achieve on the modeling forum? :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall :-wall

This is my last answer to you in this topic! I hope you will not leave forum,you have great models,but i don't want to be your prisoner,and  do not want this to turn into a political forum, because you obviously you have an bad intention, as soon as you do not want to stop typing about politics, although this is only modeling forum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: wviz on July 27, 2011, 07:55:04 PM
http://macedonia.oh.us/
(http://www.mike-snook.com/photos/entirecollection/Ohio/OH-MacedoniaPD.jpg)
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQo8SaJZ763OV6ZRIC3NDRyNTNbTA2TuDV2WlOwRNsi8P2Uf0o7pg)
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: POMPEO on July 27, 2011, 08:06:13 PM
Oh my god....

Political, nacionalist and Racial problems have your ways to discuss, and I'm right that is not here that this problems will be solved...

please leave our forum in peace

Best,

Pompeo
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: No.1 on July 27, 2011, 08:09:56 PM
Hope that members will find solution. From the very start we did not have any political problems but as well we are adult, we can solve this and hope to stay clean place as we was.
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: javier_planells on July 27, 2011, 08:22:55 PM
It's all naming conventions. And do you know what happens with naming conventions? They're here to give a sense of lgic to something that's not. For fart's sake, noboy really knows where they're coming from. And names come and go, in the end. To have such an argument in a modeling forum is just like to declare that europeans are not so advanced into understanding each other, nor being willing to. Which is a real shame.

Well, I guess I'll return to the forum when people come down from their ivory tower and agree to have a modeling forum again and not a political mardi gras of non sense.
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: shmenezes on July 27, 2011, 08:26:21 PM
From my seat here in far away Brazil, I'd  like to add my 2 cents to the discussion...

This is a modeling forum, composed of people from many countries, with different cultural, historical and political backgrounds. What gets everybody together here is the passion they share for aircraft and modeling, in spite of all the differences. Although we build models of real subjects, I think that we must check reality at the door, together with things that can disturb this place: politics, law and so own. As long as what we do here doesn't harm anyone, I think we can be a little more tolerant.

So the UN and NATO adopted the provisional name of  former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM)? IMHO, I don't see "provisional" as final, official, legal or the gospel. And does anyone here really care, from a modeling viewpoint, which name is used? Will it make the model better or worse? My vote: leave political, religious and other bothering real world ideas at he door, they have no place here... ;)

Now gimme a beer... Everyone can have a cold one, too, I'm buying... ;)

Sergio :)
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: draken35 on July 27, 2011, 08:29:22 PM
Personnaly I will stop to comment this post, and even to read it. Closed. Down. I hate politic and politicians, and our forum is a forum for modellers. I will even make no comment to the answer Zetman made to me.
For me he is welcome here... For models.

Ite missa est...
Will drink a beer with you, Sergio ;)
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: javier_planells on July 27, 2011, 08:32:08 PM
That makes us three merry beer drinkers, then....
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: Second Air Force on July 27, 2011, 08:33:45 PM
The great thing about LLL since I've been a member is the genuine fellowship that is here, and it all goes back to sharing our modeling passion. I have strong political/philosophical/religious beliefs but I made a vow to myself never to get into arguments or discussions about that kind of thing. I consider y'all friends and don't spend any time at all worrying about outside influences--we have a great group of model builders and researchers here and I, for one, don't want to lose anyone.

Now where is that beer............ :)
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: mfg495 on July 27, 2011, 08:53:33 PM
This has to stop, we all joined this site to enjoy the art of modelling, I for one made many friends here from all corners of the world. Endless talk like this is going to drive members away and that's the last thing we want. This site has been a place where we have been able to talk about the things we live, modelling and military art, lets keep it that way.
The last thing we would wish to do for the sake of the site is to start banning people.

Zetman please for the sake of the site let this one go, please!
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: mfg495 on July 27, 2011, 08:56:05 PM
That makes us three merry beer drinkers, then....
javier_planells my bars open want to join me for a beer or two, cheap prices.....
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: No.1 on July 27, 2011, 09:03:08 PM
I will left next 24 hours before make final decision. Must say that I am glad that we have response and this simply mean that this place still hold family atmosphere ;)

Beer :))
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: Sall on July 27, 2011, 09:10:26 PM
 :-flo
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: Profa on July 27, 2011, 11:20:00 PM
Dark one for me :-jump, and I'm not even going to discuss this political b...s..t :-danger
Go to some political forum and express your thoughts on this matter :-paper, meet your opponent and discuss it whatever way you'd like :-bat, but here please go on with modelling :-wch
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: javier_planells on July 27, 2011, 11:23:34 PM
That makes us three merry beer drinkers, then....
javier_planells my bars open want to join me for a beer or two, cheap prices.....

Yes I do, mate. A pint for me, please.
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: dragan_mig31 on July 28, 2011, 12:07:28 AM
Oh my.I could not even imagine what will this thread turn into.For your information My country's institutional name is Republic Of Macedonia and the UN provisional agreed name is FYROM.I see that you call upon the US for support and if I may give you some fresh news,5-6 years ago the USA recognized my coutry by its constitutional name,so any further debating is futile.you have your beliefs I have mine,others have theirs so if we start to argue and talk about this kind of stuff we will ruin the essence and nature of this forum and that is our common passion about building model kits.I did not answered to your provocations till now but now I see I am not alone here (for your info I am full blodded Serbian national that is born in Skopje,Republic Of Macedonia and I like to think of Macedonia as my fathersland becouse I have spent all my life here).Now please lets build some models and stop this nonsense.

Regards,Dragan.
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: shmenezes on July 28, 2011, 12:12:13 AM
Join us and grab a cold beer, Dragan.. It's on me!! ;)
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: ta152c on July 28, 2011, 12:20:34 AM
I think it best to draw a line and move on, after all, it's the models that matter.
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: dragan_mig31 on July 28, 2011, 12:35:20 AM
Thanks guys.My I grab a coca cola instead?I don't drink alchohol or beer either :D
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: zetman on July 28, 2011, 02:50:40 AM
My passion for modelling,and all my good mood and willing to share with you all of my creations(mostly vignettes)drove me to register.
I know that this is a modelling forum and respect it.Don't try to achieve anything.Not provocative,just a realist.
I made myself clear in my two first pms.
I tried to be as polite as I could without upseting,or even insulting/offending any of you.(in my oppinion..)
Dear mfg495 with the nice Hellenic tag/signature,thank you for your message.But could you be kind enough please to explain what do you mean with your words:
...The last thing we would wish to do for the sake of the site is to start banning people.
Zetman please for the sake of the site let this one go, please!

Should I be banned for the site?Is my point of view insulting or offending you?Was my objection nonesonse?
I could leave it go,due to respect of the moderator who trusted to register me and dont want to bring him in such difficult possition to...bann me.
Really,have you ever been banned of a modelling site because some of your creations like, lets say...a burned German soldier in Dresden would hurt the English commmon feeling enough...
Or some Palestinian children playing in front of the Wall would upset the Israelis...
I can also understand that the matter does not interest any of you,why should?
This reminds me a moto: outside of the dancing,you can be singing as much as you want.

In a matter of fact,Macedonia includes a further meaning than name.Land and occupants.
Macedonia also means μήκος=lenght,and was given this name either because they were physically tall(I doubt it since I  have seen the skeleton of Phillipos in his tomb in Pella,he was rather short)or because they settled in the mountains.That's for the history and whom wonders what's the meaning of the names are.Names are not given by accident or chance.They do mean something,and not just come and go at least javier.

By the way,Macedonians used to speak Hellinika.All tombs and marbles even in your country as you can see they are still sculpted on.Alexander's teachers were from Athens, like Aristotelis.It was the official language.
Can't stand anymore any of your Macedonian propaganda and the battle of Alexander's nationality.
Who was his father really?
Was the son of king Amyntas the 3rd and Eurydice?
You want your roots back?
Maybe you should start searching who Illyrians or Paeonians are.
There is a nice American proffesor's (the third eye)study about who are the above I mentioned.
I could find and send it if you like.
In conclusion...dear dragan,
not willing to argue any more with you or any other fellas in the forum,and because I am still up in my ivory tower dear javier,and I am a full blodded Thracian(you know Phillipos attacked to Thrace and made it-as a common practice- part of his territory,and all allied towns/states then started marching against Persians)
... I grew up and live in Macedonia too,but in Greece,in Thessaloniki,I agree not to discuss any further about politics,and with all respect I am willing to draw a line and forget everything since you show me good willing and use what you wrote in your last msg. Skopje,Republic Of Macedonia
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: No.1 on July 28, 2011, 03:00:50 AM
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Should I be banned for the site?Is my point of view insulting or offending you?Was my objection nonesonse?
I could leave it go,due to respect of the moderator who trusted to register me and dont want to bring him in such difficult possition to...bann me.
Really,have you ever been banned of a modelling site because some of your creations like, lets say...a burned German soldier in Dresden would hurt the English commmon feeling enough...

No way that you could be banned from this site from above mentioned reasons. Your right is to make subject as you like and feel.

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... I grew up and live in Macedonia too,but in Greece,in Thessaloniki,I agree not to discuss any further about politics,and with all respect I am willing to draw a line and forget everything since you show me good willing and use what you wrote in your last msg. Skopje,Republic Of Macedonia

This is the fact and no argue about that. At least we know history and your post include some valuable info. Some things are not possible to change so maybe formal solution is to simply call FYRM and this is it. If anybody of us say 'What do you think about this Macedonian fighter?', you are free to say (example) 'This is nice camouflaged FYRM warplane'. Not perfect solution but we can try.

And finally to thank you all for giving your impressions and feedback  :-razz
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: Sall on July 28, 2011, 10:40:29 AM
Lets go on models! :)) ;)
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: dragan_mig31 on July 28, 2011, 12:52:56 PM
My friend Zetman>You insulted me indirectly in your last post but I am still willing to let go.You are born and grew up in the Greek province of Macedonia right?It is a geographical reference.I am born and grew up in Republic Of Macedonia.Those are two different things.We all know the history of what happend during the 40's and before that.Here is a little hint about that,and please don't refer to this as Macedonian propaganda becose the history books have all this well recorded.I have nothing against the Greek people in fact I have several good friends from Greece and I respect you all.I think we should definetly return to modelling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Greek_Civil_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Front_%28Macedonia%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Macedonians_of_Greece
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: zetman on July 28, 2011, 04:10:23 PM
You are born and grew up in the Greek province of Macedonia right?It is a geographical reference.I am born and grew up in Republic Of Macedonia.Those are two different things.
That's apoint now.
You are absolutely right my friend.You came in my words.Those are two different things.
The only common thing among is that all these geographical provinces,were part of the further Macedonian empire of Philipos the 2nd.So why should we share the same name?
Untill 1999 you claimed yourselves-and that must make us consider why-as Slavs.Your president then,confirmed in public(there are documentaries in youtube) that you are Slavs and your name is Skopje.What has been changed your mind since a decade?
You know,Thrace was a Macedonian province too.Also Theva,which was destroyed by Alexandros,or Attiki-Athena.After they surrendered,and occupied to the Macedonian kingdom of Philipos and Alexandros,didn't altter their names.They kept their regions names till nowdays.
Also parts of Bulgaria and Albania may considerred as Macedonian provinces.Should they call themselves Macedonia?
All these population were Illyrians or Paeonians who were forced to follow Alexander to his campaign.
And please don't remind me the facts after '45 where communist propaganda turned Greek hands to kill each other in a civil war which destroyed us.
Communist parties were called to join the new ethnic goverment after German retreated,but they wanted to dominate.They claimed the legal goverment as a bounch of betrayers and turned their guns against them.Brother versus brother.
And after they were forced to leave Greece,cause national army was marching and afraid of their lives after all these crimes they have done...they moved to Albania or Yugoslavia,calling theselves afterwards as...minorities who left their homes and families.
Isn't that true?The only problem is that communist party has plenty of members who wrote books according to their own believes.
If only you could read the documents of the Hellenic Army from war diaries kept through every day of the conflict.
And thanks God,some neautral British or commonwelth officers who came to liberate Greece in '44 and found theirselves wondering why they should fight their ex-allies(communists)wrote books.
One of them is Geoffrey Chandler who wrote in 1959 the:
The Divided Land-An Anglo-Greek Tragedy which is a diary of the conflicts,and what he encounterd then.
I have the book unfortunatelly in Greek.If I find an English copy I will be glad to send you as a gift.
I respect you all too.It's nothing personal.But some things cant be overlooked.
I think we should definitely return to modelling,as long as you respect my request.
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: zetman on July 28, 2011, 04:18:58 PM
http://youtu.be/AbwCp9W-uPw
What have you to say about Mr Kiro Gligorov's statement?
(I appologize for the wrong date,it was not 1999,but June 1992)
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: No.1 on July 28, 2011, 04:26:38 PM
http://youtu.be/AbwCp9W-uPw
What have you to say about Mr Kiro Gligorov's statement?
(I appologize for the wrong date,it was not 1999,but June 1992)

Well- this make this board a political place and as members in this topic state- no politics. I would like to ask to complete this discussion and to respect primary interest of members to stay far away from politics.

Thank you :-ok

P.S. what Kiro Gligorov state in 1992 have to be solved on other place...
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: zetman on July 28, 2011, 04:48:20 PM
No 1 that was only an answer to Dragan.I put only a link.Also this topic is about that kind of matter.I suppose no one who is not interrested at this subject,should read or comment.Of course I agree that we could talk in private.
But I think its also a good opportunity to learn something from that.
If this is not your taste,just ignore it.Think that dragan found it interesting enough.
But its ok,to conclude I would like to add some last and I am off.
So according to my above I add...
...What Greek communist party did,was a cry of help due to Russia was not sending help(why do that?Stalin wanted Boulgaria,Roumania and agreed with Churchil to leave Greece to British )-but he was hopping the communist party to win and add Greece to Soviet union too.
So what KKE did actually was to search for allies,and create the Slavomakedonian matter with Tito in order to fight against national army and then after winning maybe we would become a large GrecoBulgaroYugoAlbanian state.
16 of December of 1991,EU/EN does not accept the name of Macedonia.
I can recognize to dragan and his country that they didnt want to be absorved by Albania or Serbia or Boulgaria,and wanted to be independent,but my friend,you chose a wrong solution,and you maintain it.
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: Sall on July 28, 2011, 06:06:16 PM
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No 1 that was only an answer to Dragan.I put only a link.Also this topic is about that kind of matter.I suppose no one who is not interrested at this subject,should read or comment.Of course I agree that we could talk in private.
There is only one "little" problem. You came to wrong forum to discuss about politics. And i'm just wondering when this topic will be locked, because it has nothing to do with the purpose of this forums! :-paper
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: zetman on July 28, 2011, 06:32:47 PM
There is only one "little" problem. You came to wrong forum to discuss about politics. And i'm just wondering when this topic will be locked, because it has nothing to do with the purpose of this forums! :-paper
My dear Sall,I will tell you once and for all,that I didn't come here to write about politics on purpose.
Something is bothering me and I kindly requested to whom is concerned about,to handle it.Not you.
I am just wondering why are you still reading this particular topic since you're not interested?
Please continue your model building or other discussions in forum,and ignore it.
Even this topic will be locked,I ensure you that I will make complains every time I will read this name written.
Not especially here,but everywhere.
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: No.1 on July 28, 2011, 06:37:04 PM
If you note comments from members they demand not to make any political flavored comments! It is in our mutual interest to keep forum in this direction.

This is final word.
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: Sall on July 28, 2011, 06:41:51 PM
Your cheeky behavior is "cutting my eye". Because I know how much effort and work invested to make this forum has become what it is, and you are trying to move it from his course with unnecessary drivel.
Why are you still a member of a forum that does not suit you? The problem is the fact that you have only a few posts concerning models, but politically posts are 25% of your total posts. Did you missed  forum my friend?
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: dragan_mig31 on July 28, 2011, 08:26:19 PM
Zetman since we agree on this matter lets put an end to this nonsense.I will use the constitutional name REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA and you won't be offended since I or the people that live in this country have no pretentions with the greek province of macedonia :) now lets build some models :)
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: zetman on July 28, 2011, 08:36:55 PM
Sorry for the delay,I was playing with my little boys.
I was very pleased to hear such words and see a mature attitude from you Dragan,and be sure I wont even mention anything else about politics,posts will be only about modelling.I draw a line and would like to apologize if I "upset" some of the members.
with respect,
Z
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: zetman on July 28, 2011, 08:43:03 PM
Your cheeky behavior is "cutting my eye". Because I know how much effort and work invested to make this forum has become what it is, and you are trying to move it from his course with unnecessary drivel.
Why are you still a member of a forum that does not suit you? The problem is the fact that you have only a few posts concerning models, but politically posts are 25% of your total posts. Did you missed  forum my friend?
Do I, really?No comment,won't discuss it any further mate.I think it's solved.
Dragan seems to react with more maturity than your last post.The site is wonderful and suits me.You will see my post comming.
They are plenty.
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: Sall on July 28, 2011, 09:12:36 PM
Finally!! :-flo
And now... Lets go on models!!! :-jump :-jump :-salut
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: ta152c on July 28, 2011, 11:39:54 PM
Yes, we have seen a very useful exchange, but back to what we know and love :)
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: Skyraider3D on July 29, 2011, 12:17:52 AM
On most hobby forums, discussing politics is a cardinal sin and subject to banning.
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: zetman on July 29, 2011, 02:49:40 AM
On most hobby forums, discussing politics is a cardinal sin and subject to banning.

Would you be kind enough to explain what "cardinal sin" means mate?
As a matter of speaking Skyraider,what's your point of view?
I,for ex. suggest start banning those who have different opinion about a matter which does not really affect or bother others.Is a solution.

In my humble opinion,I just see people who can't bare the term Freedom of speech.
Basic principles of freedom like speaking freely without hessitation,really upset some.
I believe that everyone is free to express his opposition,without insulting or offending behavior.
If we can't handle that,we should better go back to our cages.

If someon told me that instead the"white" I see in front of me is "Black",but my eyes see clearly that is "white",then I will definitely defend my point of view that the "white" is not "black",till my eyes went blind.
Banning or not.
Have a nice day and will keep up posting models.
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: mfg495 on July 30, 2011, 07:57:41 AM
Gentlemen,  :-wise lets put this to bed. Time to refocus on what this site is all about, the art of modelling, profiling and the world of aircraft (ok and the odd tank or two). So please, lets not start from square one again  ;). Everyone has the right to voice their own opinions and all members should respect them, they may not like them, but they should respect them.

If it would do any good I would say shake hands and please lets all get back to why we were asked to be members of this excellent site.  :-flo

Well up early this morning, off to see my mother and then by youngest daughter who will be having her first baby  :-flo and our first grandchild in 2 weeks, so life is looking good this weekend.  :)
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: No.1 on July 30, 2011, 03:58:42 PM
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youngest daughter who will be having her first baby

 :-clap :-clap :-clap :-love :-love :-love
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: zetman on July 31, 2011, 10:49:51 AM
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youngest daughter who will be having her first baby

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Glad for you mfg495,with all my/our wishes for the best. :-tri
I have two little monsters. :-help
Just hopping for the time,won't rush till I become ...a grandfather. :-green
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Title: Re: Political names
Post by: Profa on July 31, 2011, 12:30:32 PM
Nice to hear that, mfg495 :-jump - I also, like zetman, hope to live long enough to become a grandfather  :-/
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: Sall on July 31, 2011, 03:52:01 PM
Congratulations mfg495!! :-joke :-clap :-jump :-flo :))
Title: Re: Political names
Post by: mfg495 on July 31, 2011, 04:59:40 PM
Both Carole and I sent you our thanks for your kind words.  Once I the happy day comes I will be a proud Grandfather  :-wise