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Aircraft Modeling / Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« on: July 12, 2012, 09:59:00 AM »
Excellent post :-ok :-clap Interesting that I have considered to arrange one chart with this color conversion.... but much better you did it as well you are top professional and expert in the field!

Hi mate,

You may use these charts if you want. French films are missing because French had something else to do during the war years and French photographs (Free French armies) were taken with British or American films. For the period 1939-1940, I may give you the different French films used.
Legends must be translated...

Jicéhem 

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Aircraft Modeling / Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« on: July 12, 2012, 09:05:23 AM »
True but strange how could be miss old green colors camouflage with late grey colors camouflage (difference is obvious even on black and white images). Anyway I hope that our friend will note this point and make correct kit.

Hi mates  :-salut :-salut :-salut,

You'll understand immediately why different colors have same renderings on  b/w prints. The graphs used are those of the color sensitivenesses of films used during the 1940-1950's years. German used almost only panchromatic films aprt from Agfa with their Isochrome (50 ASA or 18/10 DIN which was orthochromatic). Others used also panchro, orthochromatic, panchro-ortho, and panchro-red films (high sensitive at 160 ASA). Contrary to what is always said, ortho films were yellow sensitive but not to red and panchro-red rendered red as a light grey in place of medium grey for other panchro films. There were also ortho-panchro films which were very near the rendering of panchro films.
Personnally I ought to use ortho films several times to reproduce documents the backgrounds of which had yellowed and more with yellow lights. That let the background becoming white on the print.
Kodak had ortho Verichrome (50 ASA) and panchro Panatomic X (25 ASA), Plus X (50 ASA) and Super XX (80 ASA).
Gevaert had ortho Gevachrome (64 ASA), and panchro Gevapan 27 (32 ASA), Gevapan 30 (64 ASA) and Gevapan 33 (125 ASA).
llford had ortho Selochrome (64 ASA) and panchro Pan F (12 ASA), FP 3 (50 ASA) and HP 3 (100 ASA).
Perutz had only panchro  films (used by the PK) : Perpantic (40 ASA), Peromnia (100 ASA) and Peromnia 23 (160 ASA)
Ferrania also had only panchro films : Super Panchro 28 (40 ASA) and Super Panchro 32 (100 ASA)

1) Graphs of sensitiviness (You must note that at the points where two or more graphs intercept the density of grey is the same on the print. Concerning a graph itself, the density is the same at every point where it intercepts the horizontal lines of sensitivity) :


2) Renderings on b/w prints (with different sorts of films and filters at the shooting) For gray paints these graphs are modulated by the prevailing color (green-grey, red-grey, blue-grey, violet grey, etc) i. e. a blue-grey will appear lighter then a green-grey and a reddish grey will be darker than the two others...  It's the reason why it's impossible, under some lighting conditions and at 90%, to distinguish RLM 74 from RLM 82, even from RLM 81 and RLM 65 from RLM 76... and "83" from 75. It's to be noted that the rendering of the different greens employed as camouflage colors is almost the same independently of the sort of film used. It's the same for the contrast...  


Jicehem  :-wave :-wave :-wave

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Aircraft Modeling / Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« on: July 11, 2012, 07:01:05 PM »
Not the first time that big manufacturer make mistake...

Yes, but it must be said that color photos of those planes, untill recently, were unknown and, it's a very good example that on black and white pictures it's very difficult to find the real colors... That let me think that it's the same than for camouflage colors. Many colors are only suppositions... Even by great reknown artits.

Jicehem

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Aircraft Modeling / Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« on: July 11, 2012, 06:17:15 PM »
This is my aproach to the subject:

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Bf%20109/Rwmanos149.jpg


Hello,  :-salut :-salut :-salut :-salut



Jicehem  :-wave :-wave :-wave

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Aircraft Modeling / Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« on: July 11, 2012, 01:43:35 PM »
Hi maye,

Very good rendering. Here we see the touch of a real artist !

Jicehem

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Hello,

Monogram's P-39 is a good base to obtain a pretty Airacobra.
I've two ones, one in French Markings (indeed !), the other is American...

Jicéhem

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Aircraft Modeling / Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« on: July 09, 2012, 06:44:35 PM »
Wonderful !  :-ok :-ok :-ok

Jicehem  :-wave :-wave :-wave

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Aircraft Modeling / Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« on: July 09, 2012, 05:02:29 PM »
Thank you mate.

Jicehem

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Aircraft Modeling / Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« on: July 09, 2012, 04:44:10 PM »
Beautiful build.
A really late war plane. Do you have side views ?

Jicehem

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Aircraft Modeling / Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« on: July 09, 2012, 08:15:25 AM »
RLM 76 (the greener shade, sometimes called 84), 75, 81, 82, and 83.

Hi Second Air Force, and all members of this Forum,  :-salut :-salut :-salut

Two questions : can anyone give the proof that RLM 83 :
1) Was officially used on airplanes (Personnally, i'm searching for more than 20 years and found none...)
2) RLM 83 was a "Dark Green" (Same remark as above)

Jicehem  :-wave :-wave :-wave

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Aircraft Modeling / Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« on: July 08, 2012, 04:06:03 PM »
Some archive assistance :)) Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-10, WNr 61xxxx, number 5, II./ JG 52, Neubiberg, 1945.05.12 for Second Air Force, cowling details and two options for me.

Hi mate,

On the first photo, it's not a short radio mast but a propeller blade of the plane behind.
http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2170.0;attach=51460;image

Jicehem

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Aircraft Modeling / Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« on: July 08, 2012, 03:58:08 PM »
I appreciate this kit. Here is the basic assembly of the parts before starting to paint. The cockpit isn't greatly detailed, typical of kits from the 1970s, but the overall fit is pretty nice. I'm going to enjoy building this.

This kit is very old (issued in 1977 !) and although it has some shortcomings, it stays one of the better base for a G-10.

Jicehem

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Aircraft Modeling / Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« on: July 08, 2012, 03:20:29 PM »
This is my aproach to the subject:

Hi Dimitris,

Nice subject indeed.
If you apply these markings to your plane, please pay attention to the "Heart" insigna. It's not red but black.

Jicehem

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Aircraft Modeling / Re: Jumo Powered Bf-109s In 1/48
« on: July 06, 2012, 07:02:47 PM »
L40/52 Hellgrau is pure civilian color and possible in use as overall finish until... 1935?

No, mate, sorry. L40/52 was also used as exterior paint on He 51, all He 70s and He 111s which included civilian and military planes. Even if the codes seemed to be civilian, they were really military ones. This color (and others which were not RLM colors) was used until the appearance of the first L.Dv in 1937.

Jicéhem  :-wave :-wave :-wave

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Aircraft Modeling / Focke Wulf Fw 190 S-8
« on: July 06, 2012, 05:52:45 PM »
Hi everybody,

Here is a rarely seen version of the Fw 190, especially in kit shape : the Fw 190 S-8. It's based on the Heller kit of the Fw 190 F-3/F-8. The fuselage is a resin part made by Dauzié and canopy is a vac-formed one.
The Dauzié part has been badly molded and there was a big hole into the engine cowling !


Apart from a sheme for "Nr 115" of an unknown SG, there was no decals at all in the Dauzié box...

Well... I had to correct the Heller's kit nose and cement it in place of the resin one after I cut it off. I also replaced the MG 131 cowlings by the ones of Heller and the very bad wheels of Heller were replaced by Airfix wheels.
I found two photos of a captured S-8 (one of each side. Very rare fact indeed !) coded 7+Q belonging to an unknown unit. The plane is seen among other Fw 190 A fighters (some beeing night fighters) at Voerlose. The plane seems to be painted in RLM 81, 82 and 76 colors.











Jicéhem

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