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Let Let Let - Warplanes => Aircraft Modeling => Topic started by: draken35 on October 24, 2010, 09:48:23 AM

Title: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on October 24, 2010, 09:48:23 AM
OK, now here is my actual "work-in-progress": the Spad VII from Roden.

I'm building that kit for a group build ("Avions de la Grande Guerre") on the French forum Maquette Garden.
maquettes de véhicules et figurines militaires et (http://maquette-garden.forumactif.com/index.htm)

I'm responsible of that Group Build.
Avions de la Grande Guerre (http://maquette-garden.forumactif.com/avions-de-la-grande-guerre-f21/)
Like Maquette Garden is principally a forum for tanks, I'm trying to give to the participating members some anecdots, tips, etc on what concerns WWI aviation...

Well, enough said, here is my build:
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad001.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad002.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad003.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad004.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad005.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad006.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad007.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad008.JPG)

I will also use the photoetch of PART
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad009.JPG)

And my documentation source will of course be the following:
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad010.JPG)

I will build the aircraft of Sous-lieutenant Ciselet:
(http://baha.be/images/Milpics/WW1_&_precursers/spad_vii_sp2_dbx.jpg)
photo via Belgian Aviation History Association (http://www.baha.be)

Some putty needed
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad015.JPG)

the photoetch parts are excellent, but I will not use some of them: so, here, the PE elements are not large enough
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad022.JPG)

The engine. All the elements are not placed because the engine cover will be closed.
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad043.JPG)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on October 24, 2010, 09:49:37 AM
Some holes...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad032.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad033.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad034.JPG)

The placement of the PE louves asked for some work too:

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad036.JPG)

Carefully press on the louves...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad037.JPG)

...will give you a very nice result
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad038.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad041.JPG)

Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on October 24, 2010, 09:50:25 AM
Now it's time to remove some plastic
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad042.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad044.JPG)

...And to use Gator's Grip glue: the time needed for that glue to dry is an advantage for the perfect positioning of the little parts
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad045.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad046.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad047.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad048.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad049.JPG)

The excess of glue is removed (before drying) with a brush and some water
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad050.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad051.JPG)
I Like it!
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on October 24, 2010, 09:52:22 AM
I've forgotten a little trapdoor!

Same technique of course...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad052.JPG)

I've also begun the work on the louves of the part going under the motor. Not really easy. And the part is not yet correctly formed...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad053.JPG)

The build of the radiator will be fun too...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad054.JPG)

One hour was needed to prepare those tiny things...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad055.JPG)
Total: 130 (65 of each). Following the instructions from PART, only 49 of each seem to be needed. I will check my doc to verify if there are other possible places for use.

I've used Klir (equivalent of future) to glue the little parts.
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad056.JPG)
Klir, water, toothpicks, and a 3/0 brush (not on the photo)

With the brush, I put a little drop of Klir on the place of the part
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad057.JPG)

The part is placed with an humidified toothpick
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad058.JPG)

A drop of klir again, to "secure" the work... Then, placement of the last element of the ensemble
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad059.JPG)

And here is the final result:
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad060.JPG)
Not an easy work to do. Nerviously it was hard... So, the second panel of the engine cover will be made next time.
I have finished with another drop of Klir on all the elements.
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on October 24, 2010, 09:53:38 AM
I've finished the second part:
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad061.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad062.JPG)
It just took me 1/2 hour...

I was a little bit disapointed by PART...

I found the PE radiator so fine... But it doesn't match with the kit part: a little bit longer, fitting not exactly
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad063.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad064.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad065.JPG)
Simply imposible to put in the kit...

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad066.JPG)

Even for little details...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad067.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad068.JPG)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on October 24, 2010, 09:55:30 AM
I've decided to opt for a mix between the PE and the part of the kit:
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad069.JPG)
That will be OK when in place.

But, really, not the best PE element from PART.

Some progress:

Use of 3D paint to repair the damaged rivets (when removed from sprue)...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad070.JPG)
... The element was attached at 4 points...

...Mr Surfacer 1000...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad071.JPG)

...And PE...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad072.JPG)

I don't like Mr Surfacer... It's a product I can live without. I have made some rectifications with liquid glue + plastic. I have also used that mix for two BIG holes in the propeller...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad073.JPG)

Sanding of the putty on the wings. Three little rectifications needed (I used my mix...)
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad074.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad075.JPG)

Some elements of the cockpit are assembled
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad076.JPG)

And, again, the use of "my" glue is needed!
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad077.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad078.JPG)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on October 24, 2010, 09:56:55 AM
Time to take a look on the rudder now!

PART gives 4 éléments to make the rudder
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad079.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad080.JPG)

There are fine but not perfect...

Kit's rudder is nice but perfectible. Here is the work:
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad081.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad082.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad083.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad084.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad085.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad086.JPG)

...And here is the result:
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad087.JPG)

The windshield asked for some reflexion:
The one of the kit is thick, but also a little bit opaque.
The one of PART is too fine and impossible for me to work on it and obtain a good form, with the film...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad088.JPG)
So I've decided to use the kit's part, but that will ask for some extra work to obtain a good result.

I've also begun to work on the Vickers
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad089.JPG)
Links, top of the photo: what I've removed from the kit part.
It's far from the end, for that Vickers...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on October 24, 2010, 09:57:45 AM
I've encountered another unexpected problem today...
As I had not many time to work on the Vickers, I just decided to remove some parts from the sprue. As always, I'm trying the fitting and... ouch...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad090.JPG)
...Not good at all...

So I've sanded the elements. Going better now...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad091.JPG)

...but look here!!!
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad092.JPG)

I've opted for the following solution: to make the hole larger.
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad093.JPG)

...on the left side the corrected part, on the right side the original one
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad094.JPG)

The final result:
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad095.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad096.JPG)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on October 24, 2010, 09:58:32 AM
I've removed from the PE sheet all the elements of the Vickers. I've sanded the vickers but some corrections are needed so, no possibility to continue today with that weapon...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad097.JPG)

...So, back to another funny game!
Light sanding...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad098.JPG)
"I" = "Inside"
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad099.JPG)

...here is the "outside"
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad100.JPG)
On each time there is not ONE but TWO PE part !!!

Finished:
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad101.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad102.JPG)

Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on October 24, 2010, 09:59:00 AM
I'm always working with PE:
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad103.JPG)

Vickers is finished. Not the best possible result, but my best possible result...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad104.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad106.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad105.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad107.JPG)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on October 24, 2010, 09:59:43 AM
I've sanded the wings, removing the little "metalic" elements that are replaced by PE.

Lower wing
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad108.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad109.JPG)

Upper wing
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad110.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad111.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad112.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad113.JPG)

NB: The green color is just 3D paint for tissue. That will represent the cables.

Here is where I am actually...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on October 24, 2010, 11:41:31 AM
Fascinating upgrades on kit and great work with metal!! This will be great build to watch!
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on October 24, 2010, 12:22:06 PM
Thank you, Srecko!

I'm far from the end I'm afraid... The Roden kit is nice but not perfect; it's not Wingnut Wings! I will have lot of work to do, but anyway it's a pleasant build and I want to make great job for that one...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: samuraj77 on October 24, 2010, 02:47:55 PM
Very nice and clean work so far.  :-flo
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on October 24, 2010, 05:04:50 PM
Thank you again!
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Profa on October 24, 2010, 06:07:58 PM
Seems like a professional dedication to details (and unfortunate Roden's flaws in production)... So far so good! :-ok
Waiting for the progress...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Sall on October 24, 2010, 07:07:24 PM
Nice job! :-flo
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on October 24, 2010, 07:20:58 PM
Just few question...

- is it more easy to press louvres on soft wood instead over the edge of glass?

- I hear for Gator glue, is it thick density? It is interesting as well it is acrylic

- turnbuckles... what method you are using to make it?

:-wave
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on October 26, 2010, 06:13:25 PM
Thanks again for your kind comments!

Srecko,

- I think it could be good too to press louves on soft wood - Perheaps even better than my method... I didn't have thinked to soft wood...

- Gator glue haves the density of PVC glue. Very interresting to place little parts that you need a little bit time to adjust or position perfectly. Te reverse of the medal is that you cannot use that glue for fast work because she needs a looong time to dry - But when dry, it's hard!!! Another advantage is that when placing a part, if you have glue in excess, you simply remove the excess with a paintbrush with water...

- For the turnbuckles, I will use the method of "Agiosdimitrios" that you can see on Theaerodrome:
http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/models/47760-roland-cii-1-48-eduard-8.html#post519560
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on October 26, 2010, 06:34:09 PM
Good about the Gator, it look also to be perfect for other parts, like transparent. Interesting method for turnbuckles, I use method described in one special issue of Japanese magazine Model Art.
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on October 26, 2010, 06:38:16 PM
Can you tell me more about your turnbuckles method?
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on October 26, 2010, 07:09:37 PM
Thin wire, make a loop around another thin wire but made from steel, hard steel. Turning until get loop just around hard wire.
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on October 26, 2010, 07:17:41 PM
Very interresting! I will have to give a try to both method before to decide wheter to use for the Spad...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on November 03, 2010, 03:12:19 PM
After a few day "out of business" due to professional reasons, I'm back on the Spad...

The exhausts: here is what I can to as best with the PE. I'm not really happy of that...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad114.JPG)
More than that, the attachment system to the fuselage is complex (two PE parts), too fine and too long. I think I will use the kit parts, that I will try to ameliorate.

I've also tried to form the trap under the engine. Unsucessfully...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad115.JPG)
I will try again, but later, after the demi-fuselage will be glued together. But I'm thinking to "B" plan: the use of the kit part that, of course, I will have to ameliorate too...

Some little progress:

The ailerons
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad116.JPG)

The wheels
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad117.JPG)
...Putty and sanding needed of course...

The actual bench:
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad118.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad119.JPG)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on November 03, 2010, 03:35:48 PM
Looks fine to me and I think that this will look good when complete. It is true that PE parts give power to model but can not be always perfect.
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on November 03, 2010, 03:44:04 PM
We have all or own limits with PE parts... And, as always with PART photoecth, some parts are simply too hard to use successfully...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on November 06, 2010, 08:27:53 PM
Again, a little bit of work with PE before painting...

Not less than 8 parts for that result - But from far better than the kit part (only one element)
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad120.JPG)

OK, ready for the airbrush now!
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad121.JPG)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on November 06, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
This subject is one of those when we can just seat and watch with pleasure :-clap This assembly preparation is wonderful!
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Profa on November 06, 2010, 09:13:05 PM
As No.1 said, just watching with pleasure :-jump
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Sall on November 07, 2010, 01:08:29 AM
 :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on November 07, 2010, 08:14:46 AM
Thank you very much!
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on November 14, 2010, 10:50:47 AM
Back to another problem:
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad053.JPG)
The PE part is very hard to form correctly; and I've constated that it's larger than the kit part. So, bad fitting obviously...

So, we will use the kit part!!!

...that will of course ask for many work but the fit will be correct. All is said.
Work in progress
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad122.JPG)
Break after two hours, to remain zen...

Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on November 14, 2010, 11:53:38 AM
Uh... :( look like nightmare and it look like it need so much time to solve properly. Is it possible to cut separate gills from etched parts and to fit it to original part?
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on November 14, 2010, 12:20:08 PM
Possible, Srecko. I'm envisaging that option. Or maybe to use aluminium paper. Or maybe to use nothing, as that part is on the undersuface of the fuselage...

It's not a nightmare, but I will not recommend that kit for beginner...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Letipapa on November 14, 2010, 02:56:40 PM
Outstanding! I enjoy looking all this! :-love :-obey :-salut
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on November 14, 2010, 04:01:47 PM
I will try to post a "step-by-step" action when I will continue the opening of the louves
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on November 14, 2010, 07:15:36 PM
Step-by-step:

Two holes are made, on the extremities of each louve.
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad123.JPG)

The plastic is removed with a cutter
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad124.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad125.JPG)

And here is the final result - A little bit of sanding is needed yet:
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad126.JPG)
... There are 108 louves on that element...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on November 14, 2010, 07:25:02 PM
Huge work :-clap
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Sall on November 14, 2010, 07:34:39 PM
No comment! :-eek :-eek :-eek :-eek :-eek :-eek
 :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on November 15, 2010, 09:06:37 PM
Thank you!!!

OK, now we can start the painting job! First of all, as ever I use white primer (Tamiya XF-2 & airbrush)
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad127.JPG)

No big problem but the propeller revealed under the primer a little lack of putty... Correction in progress...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on November 15, 2010, 10:54:06 PM
Basic interior paint is nice :-ok
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: samuraj77 on November 16, 2010, 09:20:31 AM
Very nice work  :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on November 16, 2010, 06:06:50 PM
Thank you! Next step soon I hope...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Letipapa on November 19, 2010, 06:11:57 PM
I admire your clearness in work. All in order, very, very cool.  :-obey :-obey :-obey :-love  :-wave
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on November 19, 2010, 06:41:42 PM
Thank you!

No photos today, but I've sanded the propeller, and prepared the parts for painting - but also prepared the order of use of paints: first dope, then aluminium, and lastly wood...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on November 28, 2010, 12:50:29 PM
My rythm of work will diminue until end of january, due to professional examen in preparation... I will just do  a sitting per week...

...But we still are in progress!
And I come back with that problem of "louves" part under the engine: on www.theaerodrome.com, a POlish modeller used a technic that I will, too, give a try:

First, you take the spare part
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad128.JPG)
...that will serve as support for the PE element.

A little bit of sanding, then... Holes... Many holes (again)...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad129.JPG)

Remone the louves...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad130.JPG)

The PE part will be glued on that support
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad131.JPG)

...but still a lot of work to do, to adjust the PE
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad132.JPG)

Anyway, if I'm not satisfied, I still have the original modified part!
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on November 28, 2010, 12:54:58 PM
Very complicated, in general, etched parts should make work easy, not harder.
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on November 28, 2010, 12:58:07 PM
Not the case of that element, mate... A really splendid one, but I must say I HATE it! ;-)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Sall on November 28, 2010, 02:00:49 PM
Hard work! :-clap
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on November 28, 2010, 02:08:02 PM
Yes, but always nice to try to find solutions...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Sall on November 28, 2010, 02:19:19 PM
I share you oppinion! :-flo
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: samuraj77 on November 28, 2010, 09:20:05 PM
You are doing a great work...
I like PE parts but sometimes they really make the work living hell...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on November 29, 2010, 05:40:53 PM
Thank you, Samuraj!

...And agreed, for the PE...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Letipapa on December 03, 2010, 10:51:19 AM
But your patience is enormous ;) :-obey
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on December 03, 2010, 05:12:25 PM
Thanks, Letippa.

I like such challenges as that Spad...
...But I like sweet, quiet builds too!!!
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on December 03, 2010, 05:16:35 PM
...But I like sweet, quiet builds too!!!

Did I hear Tamya?
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on December 03, 2010, 06:05:35 PM
...Wingnut Wings for WWI...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on December 12, 2010, 04:00:32 PM
OK. I've tried. But nerviously, it was too much for me...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad133.JPG)
Feel better now...  :-green
I will use the kit's part, without any regret: I've verified keeping the PE and the kit's part at eyes level, you see exactly the same.

Again working with photoetch:
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad134.JPG)
there are six elements...

Primer on the propeller...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad135.JPG)

...and on another part I've préviously forgotten...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad136.JPG)

And finally, the dope linen for the interior of the fuselage. I've well examined the subject and compared Mister Kit, Vallejo, Gunze and Tamiya colors and finally I've opted for Tamiya XF-55 Deck Tan. I wish a dope linen that haves some use; don't forget that the Belgian Spads came from the French surplus - Not really aircfrats from the fabric!
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad137.JPG)

More work next week...  :))

Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Letipapa on December 18, 2010, 11:11:29 PM
Good progress! :-clap :-clap :-clap I like how you did the propeller head :-ok :-wave
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on December 19, 2010, 09:05:15 AM
Thank you!
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on January 02, 2011, 04:50:12 PM
XF-55 Deck Tan was not satisfying finally: at day light, gived an impression of a little bit of grey, and definitively too dark...

I've opted for another paint: French Beige from PolyScale. Looks better...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad138.JPG)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on January 02, 2011, 05:57:03 PM
Completed with the rest of interior this would be great :)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Second Air Force on January 03, 2011, 12:08:21 AM
OK. I've tried. But nerviously, it was too much for me...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad133.JPG)
Feel better now...  :-green
I will use the kit's part, without any regret: I've verified keeping the PE and the kit's part at eyes level, you see exactly the same.




I've been in that situation before with photoetched material! Compound curves are hard to deal with, especially with the louvers on your cowling.

Scott
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on January 03, 2011, 05:20:59 PM
Yes Scott, it was too much for me... But the kit part is good enough, no problem for the kit...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Second Air Force on January 03, 2011, 05:28:54 PM
I agree.... I'm using parts of a Verlinden PE kit on my B-17. The Verlinden bomb bay doors are quite nice but getting even the gentle curve in them that is required is pretty difficult. Your lower panel would have been ten-times as hard to shape!

Great project and thread!
Scott
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Sall on January 04, 2011, 12:59:40 AM
Nice,nice...! :-love :-love :-clap :-clap

 :-wave
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Profa on January 04, 2011, 07:26:11 AM
Give that PE part a :-salut and continue con calma now... :-ok
The only time I actually hate PE parts is when I can't see what I'm doing because something is so tiny...
Or when I complicate my life just like as you tried to :-roll
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on January 04, 2011, 05:20:22 PM
Thank you!

PE parts are generally useful and can add realism to your model; but sometimes there are just bothering.
PART makes splendid PE; but I must say I NEVER have used the totality of the elements proposed...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on February 27, 2011, 07:09:56 PM
Now that my professional studies are finished, I can build my models again...

Preparation phase (masking) before "wood" painting...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad139.JPG)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on February 27, 2011, 07:14:26 PM
Welcome into real life mate :-ok
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on February 27, 2011, 07:46:55 PM
Thank you mate!  :))
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on March 04, 2011, 10:02:00 PM
Preparation before wood painting still in progress...

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad140.JPG)

With a little correction on Roden parts...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad141.JPG)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Sall on March 05, 2011, 12:54:08 AM
Once again,splendid work! :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on March 06, 2011, 11:20:57 AM
Thank you mate!

Next: holes... Made with my "home-made" tool: a light support was needed; I used a toothpick...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad142.JPG)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Sall on March 06, 2011, 12:11:36 PM
Very useful tool! :-flo
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on March 06, 2011, 02:16:54 PM
I like your idea with this tool but to regret I think that I can not use this method in 1/72 scale :(
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on March 06, 2011, 03:52:05 PM
Sure you can, mate... No problem...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on March 06, 2011, 04:35:53 PM
All right, at least I can give a try ;)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Letipapa on March 14, 2011, 11:14:50 PM
draken35, great tool, great work, man  :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-wave
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on March 16, 2011, 09:05:25 PM
Thank you!
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: tenk on March 16, 2011, 09:33:33 PM
  :-clap  :-clap  :-clap wow u are nuts!in positive way :-ok
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on March 17, 2011, 06:39:09 AM
Thank you, Tenk!
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on March 21, 2011, 07:57:29 PM
Today, white primer sprayed on the struts...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Sall on March 21, 2011, 08:02:44 PM
The most important thing is that you working on your projects!
Hardly wait to see progress. :-ok ;)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on March 21, 2011, 08:28:44 PM
Today is your 'white primer' day :))
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on March 21, 2011, 08:33:07 PM
Today is your 'white primer' day :))

Yes indeed!
Not said previously but I have also made a white primer on the wings of the Albatros Eoffag 253 of a friend of mine who haves his airbrush out of use...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on March 26, 2011, 11:37:15 AM
Next step: base for the wood. I've used Tamiya XF-60, then oil paints will be used.

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad143.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad144.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad145.JPG)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on March 26, 2011, 12:19:56 PM
:-ok
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Sall on March 26, 2011, 12:29:51 PM
Bravo! :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on March 26, 2011, 03:49:57 PM
Thanks!!!
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Letipapa on March 28, 2011, 10:19:20 PM
great :-ok :-ok :-ok :-wave
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on March 29, 2011, 09:28:04 PM
Thank you!

Today I've worked with oil paint for the wood elements... But no photo taken, my camera being actually inaccessible...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on April 02, 2011, 10:04:16 PM
And here are the photos:

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad146.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad147.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad148.JPG)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad149.JPG)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on April 02, 2011, 10:09:23 PM
Ha ha ha- last image reminds me on chocolate block ;)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on April 02, 2011, 10:11:52 PM
Agreed - I must confess that I don't like the result I've obtained: too dark...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on April 02, 2011, 10:13:44 PM
With all of the oil leaks smudged with mud and dust I don't expect any other shade
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Sall on April 02, 2011, 10:15:45 PM
Haha,me too :))
Well,you will fix errors! ;-)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on April 02, 2011, 10:18:10 PM
OK, at least I have good technique to paint chocolate...  :-tri
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Sall on April 02, 2011, 10:20:34 PM
Hahaha... :)) :))
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Profa on April 03, 2011, 07:37:10 AM
The shade on the propeller seems just right :-ok, others I also find a bit too dark... :-think
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on April 08, 2011, 01:11:11 PM
The second side of some elements. I don't know actually if I will let all as is, or remove paint and give a new try...

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad150.JPG)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on April 08, 2011, 01:15:12 PM
Texture is great!
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on April 08, 2011, 01:18:35 PM
Yes, but too dark on my taste...

I think I will let as it is, because that Spad is made for a group build on a French forum and time is short now before the end of that GB...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: dragan_mig31 on April 08, 2011, 05:24:07 PM
So realistic wood effect. great job
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: samuraj77 on April 08, 2011, 11:01:46 PM
 :-clap :-clap :-clap
Excellent work
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Sall on April 09, 2011, 06:55:41 PM
Looks great! :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on April 12, 2011, 05:36:07 PM
Propeller is varnished...

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/rodenspad151.JPG)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on April 12, 2011, 06:45:08 PM
Simply great work!
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Sall on April 12, 2011, 10:38:46 PM
Nice work! :-clap So tiny...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Dimitris Agios on April 14, 2011, 06:01:02 PM
Amazing work  :-obey keep on Rockin. :-salut :-salut
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on April 14, 2011, 06:49:06 PM
Thank you mates!!!
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on May 17, 2011, 03:08:37 PM
Time to continue my Spad. Wood painted on the struts. Better result than for the interior parts, isn't it?
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on May 17, 2011, 05:24:11 PM
To be honest, I like interior look too :)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on May 17, 2011, 07:04:58 PM
To be honest, I like interior look too :)

Yes, it's nice but too dark for my taste...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on May 17, 2011, 08:31:41 PM
I think it is not about taste, better to see what type of wood were used and how it is stained?
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on May 17, 2011, 08:51:29 PM
Yes you're right... Wood used is dark, but with the scale effect it would be a little bit lighter on my kit...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on May 20, 2011, 09:01:44 PM
Some parts were painted in alu
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on May 20, 2011, 09:13:55 PM
I will call this plastic salad ;)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on May 20, 2011, 09:17:16 PM
I will call this plastic salad ;)

Good observation... It's exactly that: plastic salad! ;-)
Well, I try to recover my motivation for this kit...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Sall on May 20, 2011, 10:09:04 PM
 :-eek :-eek :-eek
How many parts..
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on May 29, 2011, 09:24:16 PM
Gloss varnish...
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: No.1 on May 29, 2011, 09:52:38 PM
Gloss day :))
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on May 29, 2011, 09:57:38 PM
Exactly!!! ;)
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Sall on May 30, 2011, 01:49:04 AM
Gloss day :))
:)) :)) :-ok
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: Letipapa on June 16, 2011, 12:34:28 AM
draken35 I admire you work, both the results and the process  :-obey :-obey :-obey :-clap :-clap :-clap , If I could be just 10% neat like you :(
Great work :-flo :-wave
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on June 16, 2011, 07:44:09 PM
Thank you!!!
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: zetman on June 30, 2011, 01:09:46 AM
Nice and clean work.Very methodically done.Well done pall.
What about the ph and plastic engine cover that was damaged?
What are you going to do?Felt sorry seeing that accident. :(
But Ia m sure with your strong,iron patience you will find a solution.
 :-salut
Title: Re: Spad VII (Roden 1/32)
Post by: draken35 on June 30, 2011, 06:30:05 AM
Nice and clean work.Very methodically done.Well done pall.
What about the ph and plastic engine cover that was damaged?
What are you going to do?Felt sorry seeing that accident. :(
But Ia m sure with your strong,iron patience you will find a solution.
 :-salut

Thank you! :)
Well, the pE engine cover is definitively destroyed. The plastic part too, but without causing any problem: two plastic engine covers were provided in the kit ans I was intelligent enough to use, for the PE setting, the engine cover not used on "my" Spad - So the plastic correct engine cover is safe and I've already worked on it.
Now that build is actually put aside, I'm waiting for the decals. Pheon Models said me that there was little demand for a Belgian decal sheet... And as that Spad was build for a WWI Group Build on a French forum, I preferred to put aside this one and so doing to have more time to work on a Fokker triplane (this time: Eduard 1/48 )