LetLetLet ~ Warplanes
Let Let Let - Warplanes => Aircraft Modeling => Topic started by: No.1 on November 18, 2008, 10:33:11 AM
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This is the well known image of the Bf109K-4 from the JG27 captured by the end of war in Czechoslovakia. Image is not very sharp, the copy I have, but there are definitely much of the details visible for the detail analyze.
It is very interesting to mention how many variation this plane have in various publication as well in the model releases, scale kits or decals. This variation range from the plane shown in the topside colors of RLM81 and RLM82 with the fuselage sides, bottom as well tail and wings bottom in the grey green color. Fuselage number with bars were often present in blue color. But also the same plane could be seen in various decals manufacturers give its own description of this plane and there is variation in the number and bar color, red in some cases, as well camouflage colors range with RLM75 and green on topside with some variants where is fuselage and bottom color grey green or standard RLM76. Confusion in the research and modelers world still live on.
Lets try to describe what is seen on the image above. Airplane on the image is the Messerschmitt Bf109K-4 manufactured or maybe better to say assembled, in Messerschmitt-Regensburg factory and belong to the aircraft series with number range 332XXX. Feature of this series that they have RLM75 and RLM 83 colors on topside with most of the side and bottom surfaces in the RLM 76 color. One section of the wing bottom remained in the natural metal.
(http://www.postimage.org/gxAzCX9.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxAzCX9)
Image above show some of the very interesting details which is very interesting. First at all take attention on the wings which is mostly camouflaged except of the control tabs and outer flaps. They are obvious in the much pale and uniform color but it is doubtful to precise determine what color that could be. So there could be camouflage light blue but also protective grey green. As well the wings are partially camouflaged, I decide to use grey green protective color but again to say, this can not be proof. Also note that there is also visible part of the flaps from the other wing and it is also in very pale color.
Another very interesting detail is the fuselage cross and it is not white at all but in the bottom color, RLM 76. This is more then obvious on the image where could be noted grey value of the cross color and grey value of the underside color and they are the same. If you compare it with white elements of the insignia in the close, you have clear proof that this cross color is not white at all. So situation is crystal clear there. Also cross lack of the bottom shapes and the shape consist of the green camouflage color only in the inner space of the cross. All presentation of this plane, no matter modeling or illustrations, presents it as white cross.
Vertical rudder is a little bit different then the rest of the bottom light color and maybe it is made in the grey green color. But this is very weak possibility and not possible to proof as well this section are close to the ground where is influence of the dust and dirt moderate so this difference could be also result in the different level of dirt so it is hard to claim proof of the another color then the standard RLM76. There could be noted difference in the covering with camouflage spots of the rudder and stabilizer so maybe the same rudder was replaced and new color could look different then the same one apply some before. On image is visible that fabric covering is missing as result of the souvenir collector of the time.
One more detail of interest is the canopy frame which is in very dark color and possible that the same color is the RLM 66 which is much used in the basic covering of this assembly section. And finally to note small input image in which show that spinner is whole in the black green color so no white spiral as noted many times before.
Reference publication [Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)]
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Hi mate, :-salut
A very good study, indeed !
I agree with you, this plane is strange but a reason of those colors could have been an important weathering.
Do we know when this photo was taken ?
In spite of possible weathering (lightening the colors) we can see that there was no spiral on the spinner and that the fuselage cross is not white. That's sure !
Do we know also where JG 27 was fighting at the end of the war ?
If it was on the eastern front, the numeral was not red, a color forbidden on that front. In this case red was replaced by black.
The numeral should be blue...
Cheers,
Jicehem :-wave :-wave
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My opinion is that this plane is left abandoned for a long time and in the moment when image was taken this plane was stand exposed to sun and weather to long time. Fade and wash out of the colors are obvious but this will not be my goal and I will make it in more clean state, as in the moment of combat service.
Definitely- not easy subject!
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As you could note from the text above, this plane was very interesting subject for many manufacturers from the modeling industry and one well known manufacturer from that time who have made this kit was Heller from France. As well their kit of Messerschmitt Bf109K in 1/72 was released with few variations, including the Airfix series, kit which is attempt to present plane from the first image above is Heller Ref. 229. Kit does not include swastika but do include fuselage crosses with bright green inner field and white cross outer field. Number seven is in red...
First image in this post present this kit as I started build long time ago, I think that was in 2001 or 2002. In that time I spray all of the kit bottom and side in the color which close match British Sky color and the top is in the colors which look like RLM81 and RLM82. In meantime many thing was changes including some very important such as description of the RLM82 and 83 colors. In the moment I start build it is still referred that RLM82 is dark color while the RLM83 is medium color. But later is published that in reality that was vice versa.
Image of this kit was taken few months ago and kit in the center bottom still have old version of colors and camouflage. By the way, you see two more kits there, one is Revell Bf109G-10 and the another Heller Bf109K and hey will be also subject of modeling later in this topic. I have removed most of the color from the K-4 with very fine sanding paper, 2500 grit. maybe you ask why I simply did not drop this kit and by some better model, like Hobby Boss. Simply reason- as well I am in Serbia this kit is not easy to get and to be honest, Heller kit is in basic layout good kit but need some work on panels. Work on panels is not problem at all as well there is much more variation in panels then the available kit are present on market so if you want to make some version, you have no other option but to convert available kit. Reference book which is link at bottom clearly analyze and show in drawings and images every version and variation of the Bf109G and K.
Following two images in this post show the steps in the painting of this kit. I have spray wide area of the kit and topside of control tabs, in pale grey green color and after drying I have mask protected areas where have to be used next color.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8651.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8651.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8649.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8649.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF7988.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF7988.jpg)
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
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Hi mate, :-salut
You're right. Heller kit is basically a good kit. In any case it's better than the revell G-10.
Remember, the following link shows Heller kit :
http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/forum/index.php?topic=1028.0
Personnally, I've combined parts of Heller and Revell... Particularly for the airscrew-spinner assembly ; on the Heller kit the axle is on the wrong side !
I've used the blades of the Heller airscrew mounted on the boss of Revell's (part # A 16). The back plate is Heller's (part # 30) adjusted to fit the Revell's spinner which has a slight better shape than Heller's. The propeller blades of Heller are glued in place of those of Revell.
There is also an improvement of the Heller wings to be done : tha angle of the leading edge is not exactly good : it must be 3° 58'. The taper of the wing is good and it's the reason why it's better to keep Heller's wings. The Revell's have so important shortcomings that it's easier to improve Heller's ones. To do this rectification, a hole is made (2 mm diameter) just above and between the representation of the cases ejection openings. From this hole the part is cleaved and the necessary amount of plastic is to be cut off in the shape of a long triangle.
After that the edges of the gap are to be joined to obtain the good angle of the leading edge.
Cheers,
Jicehem :-wave
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Thank you for this valuable input, Revell kit look so fine and smooth and I did not know that it have that problems. Fact is that it have to be converted but I did not mentioned how deep have to be do that. All right- this is very good information and advice for all those who are plane to build this kit.
Followings steps in this kit is the protecting of the areas where grey green have to be keep away for painting and spray of the bottom colors. This include natural metal areas at the wing bottom as well light blue after that.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8652.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8652.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8666.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8666.jpg)
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
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Hi mate, :-salut
How I improved the Heller kit :
1) The spinner :
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/jicehem/th_Bf109K-4_Heller72_casserole_.jpg) (http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/jicehem/?action=view¤t=Bf109K-4_Heller72_casserole_.jpg)
2) The wings :
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/jicehem/th_Bf109K-4_Heller72_ailes-1_.png) (http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/jicehem/?action=view¤t=Bf109K-4_Heller72_ailes-1_.png)
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/jicehem/th_Bf109K-4_Heller72_ailes-2_.jpg) (http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/jicehem/?action=view¤t=Bf109K-4_Heller72_ailes-2_.jpg)
Cheers,
Jicehem
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No doubt that you read my mind.... I just was thinking to suggest you to make some sketch if possible as guide for the modelers how to improve their kits :-clap
This is perfect, thank you :-flo :-ok
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You're welcome, mate ! :)
In general I note what I do on my kits when building them. I do so for years and my "modeling book" contains 392 pages... and is not finished...
So, I had only to scan the sketches... But only tonight because I was not at home yesterday and this morning.
Cheers,
Jicehem
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Book about modeling with 300+ pages!!! This is something most interesting I hear and hope you will inform us more. And better to say maybe we could arrange something for web if you agree.
Here you are the result of the topside painting, plane now have camouflage over the top wings. To regret I have miss correct shape over the starboard wing and I will rework this in one of next step. In this moment I hunt for the swastika 1/72 decals as well I miss this lot for the final finish of the kit.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8668.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8668.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8667.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8667.jpg)
Maybe this will be a detail of interest for the many of modelers and this is the method how I dry smaller kits like this one. Simply I put it on the topside of my Apple monitor. It have perforated top surface for the air ventilating. Very good thing is that air blow upward so it blow away all dust. Also air so warmed, but it can not damage the plastic. So it dry properly and no dust. Problem is that all modern monitors are TFT so in some future I will not have that good dry place but based on this experience I will make dry chamber for that purpose.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8670.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8670.jpg)
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
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Excellent work mate... :-tri
Jichem great sketches...
Your "modeling book" must be real treasure :-love
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Hi, :-salut
The method of drying your small models is a fantastic idea !
With my PC, it's impossible !
Cheers,
Jicehem :)
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Book about modeling with 300+ pages!!! This is something most interesting I hear and hope you will inform us more. And better to say maybe we could arrange something for web if you agree.
I don't know if it should be interesting...
I'll try to find some attractive subject.
Cheers,
Jicehem :-wave
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Jicehem- for publish on Internet there is no problem to make e-book in full color and 400 pages ;)
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Sure it is interesting at least to me it is...
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Here you are simple way to cut the strip of tape and make protection for the camouflage painting.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8671.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8671.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8673.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8673.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8678.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8678.jpg)
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
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Result of the above masking is the first layer of the camouflage spots. I decide to make camouflaging of the topside in two pass, first one with camouflage spots and later in the wide camouflage patches.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8682.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8682.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8683.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8683.jpg)
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
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This four images show the followings steps where is most of areas protected to make precise shape of the camouflage paints. Interest to note that demarcation lines is very sharp. First at all I have prepared shapes for the fuselage cross field and after that camouflage shape. I used Blue Tack as the good material to make some distance of the protective paper from the kit surface.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8684.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8684.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8685.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8685.jpg)
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8687.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8687.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8688.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8688.jpg)
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
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Great work mate...
Please keep us informed about progress you are making :-ok
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Thank you mate- I am doing my best :-wch
So when the plane is finally prepared I have spray camouflage colors and first to go was RLM75 and then RLM83 over it. With this green I have also with care spray already protected area for fuselage insignia. Result is on this two images.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8691.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8691.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8690.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8690.jpg)
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
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Hi,
Amazing work !
Jicehem :-ok :-wave
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Thank you for your kind words ;) Now on this image is show the protection for the spinner, canopy frame and rear fuselage band. One more thing which will be repainted will be camouflage fields on the top of the starboard wing as well I did not match precisely shape and position of the camouflage colors.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8693.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8693.jpg)
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
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So what's up? Kit is in the advanced stage and all of the major areas are painted. The problem is that I have miss the shape of camouflage on the starboard wing so this will be overpainted in some of next step. As you can see it have all features of the camouflage as seen on archive image...
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8697.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8697.jpg)
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
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Great and precise work :-clap
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Thank you :-ok So kit is almost somewhere there, close to be finished. There is seen additional work on decals, pattern are changed for the starboard wings. Number seven is painted in blue over the decal which is original Heller with red color inside. More details work have to be done and I hope that I could be able to do that today.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8698.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8698.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8699.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8699.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8700.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8700.jpg)
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8701.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8701.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8702.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8702.jpg)
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
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So this is it- this project come to its final stage. The same modeling was real pleasure as well for first time work on well known subject but in complete different way. Hope that all of you have the same pleasure as I have. Here you are final images...
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8713.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8713.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8714.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8714.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8715.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8715.jpg)
And to remind you again on the best reference available in the moment-
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
Soon coming English version :-tri
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A true masterpiece looks so realistic and well served airplane
:-love
Great work :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
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great work No.1 :-ok :-clap :-wave
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Thank you :))
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Now I would like to continue with this Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 150816 manufactured by Erla. Image is from Jim Crow collection and present plane captured at the end of the war. The same plane belong to the II./JG 300 and on the rear fuselage is the three color band blue-white-blue which is regular system of Reichluftverteidigung markings for home defense units.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_JimCrowcollection.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=JimCrowcollection.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_Capots110_cg_.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=Capots110_cg_.jpg)
Erla built Bf109G-10 have some specific options and differ from the G-10 of other manufacturer. Starting from nose it have very asymmetric engine cowling with rear panel strait on the port side and curved on the starboard side. Drawings made by Jean Claude Mermet show precisely this important detail. Other detail to be noted is that on the top wing surface is small bulge above the wheel bay and it is similar to those on the G-6 version.
Camouflage pattern is standard for the late war Bf109 and it consist of the mainly RLM76 at the bottom as well fuselage sides and RLM75 and 83 patches at the top surfaces. As well late work production faced with mutual problems, some sections are not very standard so you could see that horizontal tail rudder are in much lighter color then the surrounding colors as well RLM76 in its close. One propeller baled look to be wash out of color and one blade show much of its natural metal. Cockpit frame look to be in basic RLM66 color. In general all plane look fade as result of long exposure on the direct sun but very clean and only visible dirt is from the exhaust gases.
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
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I can't wait the start of a build :-obey
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Thank you mate :-flo
In previous message I have forget to note that the bottom is in the partially natural metal and use plain black edged cross. Image of this plane does not show this but another do present this way of markings. As addiction to this subject I add one color profile of this airplane where is presented all camouflage and markings. Colors are shown a faded but not as on the actual photo. Wash out of the color on the image is the result of the long time exposure to the sunlight.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_Bf109G-10-crni-4-JG2.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=Bf109G-10-crni-4-JG2.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF7911.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF7911.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF7912.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF7912.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF7913.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF7913.jpg)
For the basic kit I took again Heller 1/72 scale model as well it has much of its advantage. But this is K-4 model and I need here G-10 model of Erla manufacture. Some conversion has to be made and most obvious is the panel shape. I have place one self adhesive tape on the starboard side of the fuselage and this will useful to apply filler in the deserved amount as well shape. As well there will be larger coat of the filler I have place it in few thin coat for better drying. Image show first coat of filler.
One note is also that at the bottom of the nose original kits have two bulges. They have to be cut and this place sanded to smooth finish.
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
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Great start :-love
I hope it will be a step by step build so it could be a great reference for all of us...
Just keep on working mate :-ok
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Thank you for your kind support mate ;) here is new work steps on the kit. Whole nose is sanded and filled in few layers until the proper shape is made. Now it is Erla nose :)) Note also in cockpit few of the parts added from the basic Heller set.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF7915.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF7915.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF7917.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF7917.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF7918.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF7918.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF7969.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF7969.jpg)
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
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It is good Erla nose :-clap
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Hi mate,
Good job.
I'm waiting for the last touch !
But take your time.
Friendly,
Jicehem :-wave
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Hi all,
I have two in 1/48 scale. They should be improved... This is the very old revell kit from... 1977 !
I'm sure N°1's Erla G-10 in 1/72 will be better.
1) An ANR plane :
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/jicehem/th_MesserschmittBf109G-10ErlaItalieRev.jpg) (http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/jicehem/?action=view¤t=MesserschmittBf109G-10ErlaItalieRev.jpg)
2) A 11./JG 300 plane (well known) :
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/jicehem/th_MesserschmittBf109G-10-Erla-JG30-1.jpg) (http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/jicehem/?action=view¤t=MesserschmittBf109G-10-Erla-JG30-1.jpg)
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/jicehem/th_MesserschmittBf109G-10-Erla-JG3007.jpg) (http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/jicehem/?action=view¤t=MesserschmittBf109G-10-Erla-JG3007.jpg)
Cheers,
Jicehem :-wave
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Your kit is excellent and hard to believe that I can make it better ;) But I will do my best.
Here we are with images of final sanding process of the kit. First image show this with also details of the cockpit. Second image is with the sprayed RLM 66 color in the interior but also over the sanded area to check out for the possible surface problems. Well- next one is with the protected canopy and first coat of the green grey color is place over the tail. In the same step I have also spray aluminum color at the wing surface bottom but i did not make image.... simply i forget this. And the last image in this group is the protection of the underside as well there will go with the light blue color.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_01.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=01.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_02.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=02.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_03.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=03.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_04.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=04.jpg)
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
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Here you are another two images with the RLM 76 sprayed over as well RLM 75 on topside.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8729.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8729.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8732.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8732.jpg)
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
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The kit is almost complete with camouflage paint. Note that it have control tabs in the RLM75 color as well outer wing.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8732.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8732.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8738.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8738.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8739.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8739.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8739.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8739.jpg)
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
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Your Erla's are amazing Jicehem :-clap
No 1 kit Looks Great so far....
Those Erla build 109G are amazing....
Keep up the great work mate :-ok
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Yes, yes, yessss! :-wave :-wave :-wave
No1, great work as always! :-obey :-salut
Jicehem, what to say? You are making me walk around a room like a crazy lunatic!( :-green, :-smey)
Your models are exquisite :-obey :-ok :-clap :-clap :-clap
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I am very sorry for this delay in posting work in progress. I have some urgent orders last weeks so I have to stop all modeling works.
What we have here is the work on the protection for the rear fuselage band. First image show kit in final camouflage patter.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8741.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8741.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8765.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8765.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8889.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8889.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/th_DSCF8890.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/?action=view¤t=DSCF8890.jpg)
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
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This is great work,and almost finished :-love
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Yes but I have problem to find good decals for numbers and swastika... you know well how this look like when you live in Serbia :(
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Try me once again...
I recently traded a quiet a few kits in 1/72 scale so I got some numbers and swastikas...
What do you need?
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Number "4" in white with black outline. See the archive image and you will know :)
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Ooopss- my mistake, this is black "4" with white outline ;)
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Bitter problem present absence of good decals for number on fuselage. Kit is under gloss coat ready for decals.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/DSCF8938.jpg)
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
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Great work mate...Pity for that black 4 with white outline,it seams to be rather rare
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Great work No1. :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
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Bitter problem present absence of good decals for number on fuselage. Kit is under gloss coat ready for decals.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/DSCF8938.jpg)
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
Hi mate,
I think I've found what you are searching for. I've a black numeral 7 mm tall. I think it should be good. The style matches completely.
Contact me by e-mail, please.
Cheers,
Jicehem
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Hi mate, :-salut
I think I've found what you're searching for. I've black numeral 7 mm tall and the style matches completely.
Please, contact me by e-mail.
Cheers,
Jicehem :-wave
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Email on road :))
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So second build is over :))
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/DSCF8948.jpg)
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/DSCF8952.jpg)
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Late%20Bf109/DSCF8958.jpg)
This would be impossible without generous help of our great Jicehen ;)
Reference publication Aero Journal (http://www.aero-journal.com/hors-serie.htm)
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Ahhhh! Fantastic No1 :-ok :-clap :-clap :-clap :-tri :-tri :-tri
And Jicehem :-obey :-clap :-clap :-clap.
You se friends how it is good when you have somebody who is willing to help. The LLL is great society, I cheers to that. :-clap :-clap :-clap :-wave
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Great work mate... :-clap
Glad it is finished :-jump
Jicehem :-flo
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Nice models, great work. :-clap :-clap :-salut :-salut
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Yes! :-tri :-clap :-clap :-clap
and wlcome Dimitris Agios (shurely I am late with this, but I was not on the forum for some time so...)
I see electric guitars are played, Nice, nice. :) :-ok :-wave
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Well... I will update this subject as well two kits are in advanced stage of assembly for a many months and also two or three wait to be build.
:))
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Here it is... in the front is the Bf109G-14 and it will be made as Hartman airplane, behind is the Bf109G-6ASC, converted from the Bf109G-10, Revell, this one in night scheme and far back is still in box, Revell kit of Bf109G-10 and this one will be converted into the night fighter version with radars :)
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During the break in work I have protect the canopy and I use this product from Eduard:
http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/2009/12/23/airfix-bf-109g-6-mask/
Other image show it with the coat of the Gunze White Base. Archive image show the subject which will be made.
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Two camouflage colors are sprayed over, with some small parts also painted. Humbrol Acrylic work perfect for this purpose :))
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Decals work on... :-wave
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Nice and swift... :-clap
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Here it is :) Only I am wonder does it have Morane under wing must or not? It should have but I am not sure.
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Looks really neat.
Good work mate :-clap :-clap
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Wooarghhh! Suddenly a light colors one. Fantastic :-tri :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-wave
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Thank you :)) Two more coming ;)
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One of two machine on work bench, this one is opposite from previous build as well it have night camouflage.
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Hi No.1 ! :-salut
Great models ! I like them. :-obey :-obey
Cheers,
Jicehem :-wave
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Thank you mate ;)
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Mmmmmm! Night bandits! :-evil :)) :-clap :-clap :-clap :-wave
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Very slow progress...
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Very slow progress...
Hi mate, :-salut
yes, maybe, but very good work. :-ok
Jicehem :-wave
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For some time I will put on side this build until I solve the problem with the number '5'. Next one is started, basic Revell 1/72 kit and in this moment I am not sure which one will be b uilt, conversion into the night version or to make G-14 version.
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For some time I will put on side this build until I solve the problem with the number '5'.
No.1,
Have you given thought to cutting your own "5" from sheet decal stock? I have done so on several models with good success. I simply copy the size and style of number I wish to duplicate on my copier. Then I carefully tape the printed figure (on plain paper) onto a piece of the correct color decal sheet and VERY carefully cut the shape onto the decal sheet with a new X-acto knife blade. The grey in your numeral would be cut from grey sheet in the same manner and applied over the white like a lamination. It is a bit tedious, but the results can be excellent with some practice.
Scott
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I know for that but... I live in Serbia and it is hard to get it here. I have consider to search for the decals manufacturer including of the plain sheet one. Your point is so good :-ok Thank you!!
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Hmmm.... :-think I had forgotten the supply issue!
Another possibility would be to make masks and spray the two colors. And another: if you had some clear decal sheet the colors could be painted onto the clear and then cut out with the templates. Just a couple of thoughts....
The Luftwaffe used interesting numerals but they can be VERY difficult for us modelers to copy!!!
Scott
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I work like that before but... I did not do that for a long time so my skill is not under level for this task :(
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No.1,
Give me a measurement of the height of the "5" and I'll go through my (very old :-wise) decal collection. I don't know if I have anything there that would help but will be glad to search. I HATE having a model nearly finished but lacking one item.............
Scott
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Our friend from France was faster- he send me sample numbers! Thank you for offer, hope next time and I also hope that I could be able to do something for you :-flo
Best at all is that there is nose emblem and I will hand paint it, it have nice owl on it :))
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Excellent news on the numerals!
I've been mostly inactive with my modeling hobby for the past few years, but seeing people help each other out with things like this is one of the wonderful aspects of scale modelers.
S
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Thank you :-flo
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Thanks to our friend Jicehen who have send me numbers, am able now to continue work :-tri Thank you Jicehen :-flo :-ok
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Great! :-ok :-clap :-clap :-clap
I am surprised that number is in fact green with white outline - I was sure looking the photo, that it is blue and if the photo was the only source, I would never guess it is green. One must now everything about airplane to make a model (this of course I am talking to myself :) :-smey)
This serial of late Me 109s deserves to be photographed all in a row. ;) :) :-clap :-clap :-clap :-wave
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Very nice work and inteesting sample :-ok
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Great! :-ok :-clap :-clap :-clap
I am surprised that number is in fact green with white outline - I was sure looking the photo, that it is blue and if the photo was the only source, I would never guess it is green. One must now everything about airplane to make a model (this of course I am talking to myself :) :-smey)
I also see like that but our friend Jicehen, who was photographer for a whole life and expert for German camouflage, for sure know beter why there is green. This is very interesting machine at all :))
This serial of late Me 109s deserves to be photographed all in a row. ;) :) :-clap :-clap :-clap :-wave
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Yes! :-obey
The model looks very dark and serious - real night intruder ;) :-clap :-clap :-clap :-wave
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Hi mates, :-salut
When the photo of this plane was published, the caption said "green 5". I thought "blue 5" and in consequence I wrote to the owner of the photo and he ascertained me the original "5" on the slide IS actually green...
Cheers,
Jicehem :-wave :-wave
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"Oui Messieur!" :-salut (hope the spell is correct :)) :-think)
:-flo :-wave
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"Oui Messieur!" :-salut (hope the spell is correct :)) :-think)
:-flo :-wave
Hello Letipapa, :-ok :-salut
As I'm alone it's : "Oui, Monsieur". "Messieurs" (is in the plural)
In spite of the answer of the owner of the slide I have always doubts... about the actual color of the numeral of this beautiful Bf 109 G-6AS/N. It't s possible RLM 25 rendered this bluish hue with the color slide films of the time.
Cheers,
Jicehem :-wave :-wave
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Thank you my friend for this explanation :-ok :-clap
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Thank You very much, Monsieur! :) :-wave
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Under work pressure I have almost forget this project :( Here you are update, I have hand brushed base for the nose logo and removed oversizes swastika from tail.
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Hi mate, :-salut
Oh, yes, a Bf 109 G-6AS night fighter. :-ok :-love :-clap
Cheers,
Jicehem :-wave :-wave
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Great :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-wave
So, we wait to the last one in a row, when you find time. Have you decided what it would be: night version or a G-14 version :-think
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Thank you :))
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Well... this one is finally completed. This kit is the last kit I have buy in one model shop in Belgrade and it have mask over cockpit from 2001! It have traces over but they are simply removed with finger tips slide.
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Hi mate ! :-salut :-salut
Really amazing. Good rendering with only the tires a little too gloss.
Cheers,
Jicehem :-wave :-wave :-wave
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Flat spray is not with me in the moment... thank you for comment :))
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Thank you :-ok Next one is radar equipped machine ;)
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Really,I can not wait to see that. :-eek :)) :)) :)) :))
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Thank you :-ok Next one is radar equipped machine ;)
Ah, ah !
I'm waiting to know what radar-equipped Bf 109 you'll build... Bf 109 G-6/ASN ? White 7 ?
Cheers,
Jicehem :-wave :-wave
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Great work mate :-ok
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Well- do you have better proposal?
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Well- do you have better proposal?
No, it's the only one I know...
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Good!!! Here we go :)
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Some basic info about the next build ;)
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Hi mate,
I don't think the wheels are red but simply a weary black paint. The tires have white sides, a common feature on the Bf 109s. The radar seems to be FuG 218 "Neptun" and antennas must be to be found too under the right wing.
When I first discoverd this photograph I thought that was a Bf 109 G-14ASN but the radio mast ON the fuselage indicates a DB 605 AS and Erla canopy-retroffitted G-6. This is a late G-6AS because of the larger oil cooler under the engine.
Jicehem :-wave :-wave
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Very informative- thank you! I will be back later on wheel color.
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Here is the source of doubt, two images of different airplane. First one is the well known image, photo is taken outside and above is the plastic kit of this plane. Wheel color is made as red. On right side is the image taken in hangar and the wheel show the same value as the aircraft on left and wheel hub center is much darker. This is base for my opinion that this is not standard black color. Any feedback?
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Oh, yes ! The kit you show is mine... I built it in January 1985 a time when I still believed all that was written by "experts". Yes, there has been G-6ASs with red wheels, but I think only at the very beginning of delivery of this model to let know they were DB 605 AS-powered. But with the growing number of DB 605 AS and D powered planes, I think red wheels were dropped.
If you look, on "white 7", at the first exhaust pipe which is officially black you'll see it's of a light shade... Personnally, I think the wheels are not red neither on JG 300's plane nor on "white 7". I'll repaint the wheels of my kit black. A greyish black such as RLM 66.
Bur I must say that red wheels are more beautiful... :)
Cheers,
Jicehem :-wave :-wave
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All right, I will do as you suggest :-ok
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Conversion work on the kit nose radiator- I cut it off then extend edges with 0,5 mm plastic strip. Very fast process :-flo Now to let it dry, fill and sand into good surface.
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Hi mate, :-salut :-salut
Good wortk. I'm waiting for the complete model...
What kit is it ? Revell ?
Cheers,
Jicéhem :-wave :-wave
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You are right, this is Revell 1/72 kit. I get some ten minutes free time today and make some work on it. From other major work remain to cut Albion Alloys fine metal tubes and assemble radar antennas.
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Some small corrections of the rudder bottom, it have to be rounded...
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:-clap :-clap
Great work mate
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Stunning!
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Thank you :-ok Now this build is on the important step- it have to get landing gear but in other hands this will make trouble later during radar devices mounting. To avoid landing gear damage during the later manipulation, I have marked lines where radar antennas have to be, then mark their position and drill the small holes. Now it can get landing gear and later it will receive radar. Landing gear is important as well kit need something to make distance from surface to prevent any pressure and contact on antennas, so landing gear is perfect in this way.
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This iz crazy work! :-clap
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This iz crazy work! :-clap
And three more wait to be built :))
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Lord Vader is riding again :-green :-obey :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
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Ha ha- thank you :)) Landing gear on :-ok
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I have put cockpit on it and prepared brass tubing for the radar aerial.
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I'm impatient to see your radar...
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Here it is, mounted antenna under the nose. Must say that Albion Alloys tubing give excellent working performance :-razz
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Excellent work, mate!
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Looks very good!
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Thank you :)) Just to drink my tea and to complete two rows of antenna under the wings.
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Radar completed and I have also extended leg on tail wheel.
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:-clap :-clap :-clap
Outstanding
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Excellent radar installation! The airplane will resemble a porcupine when all those antenna masts are in place.....
Scott
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Thank you :-razz More images in progress, last work include small parts fittings, canopy protection as well basic work on top wing bulges
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Nice progress!
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Thank you ;) Images show bulged made on the wing top as well kit painted in its colors.
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:-ok :-ok :-ok
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I have paint coat of the RLM 75 on top side. It have just some patches, we could only guess about the top surface. In general this all blue schemes was without patches.
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Good work! :-clap :-clap :-clap
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In this moment I am working on decals. Problem present number 7, I hope I would not need to make mask and spray it...
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And this is completed :-tri Sorry for bad images :(
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Splendid, I like it!!!
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Great!
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Thanks :)) I have three more in collection but not sure when I will build them.
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Well done!
Scott
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:-clap :-clap
Excellent
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Thank you :))
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Nice work, Willi would be proud!
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Nice work, Willi would be proud!
At least I hope he would buy me a beer :))
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That's quite a super little model, the nightfighter version is very unusual. Nice work :-salut
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Thank you :) I hope I will find time to make more of them ;)