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Let Let Let - Warplanes => Aircraft Modeling => Topic started by: samuraj77 on April 28, 2011, 05:14:36 PM
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Hope you lads won't mind, but my fingers are kind itchy for the start of this GB.
Anyway here are No1 and mine entries.
Eduard Fokker DVII.
In my case I will build Dagelow's machine.
Two days 'til start....
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It would be my pleasure to share this build with you :-ok This is great kit at all!
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Just posted my cellar-findings in the GB post... :)
I'm also itchy for this, but first I want to clean the table (to prepare for Zrenjanin competition, 07.05.) - therefore you might expect my official start on May 9th...
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I'm happy to see you in work samuraj! :-flo
Yeaaaaaa...New group build,and a lot of great models will come in the end. :-jump
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I'll be watching and enjoying this one from the sidelines--no kit. However, I am going to a hobby store soon.......... ;)
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I was thinking that GB will start later in the year... No problem anyway, I will jump into soon!
Same boxkit as you, Samuraj, but with a Belgian deco.
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What I will use in supplement of Eduard's kit is the following: decals provided with Blue Rider little book about Foreign D.VII. When the book was on sale you have to choose between the 1/72 or the 1/48 decal sheet, that is represented on the 2nd photo. I will build the "thistle" (2nd aircraft on the third photo). For the losenges, I will use Microsculpt ones and for the ribs, the Eagle Strike ones or simply the Eduard ones...
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Foreigner schemes? Do you know that last was operated in 1940?
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Yes, the book is really interresting. I did not know that the last one was used until 1940, but in Belgium there were still used in the first half of the '30s...
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This is an enlightening subject, I must say. I spent some time learning about the whole concept of the lozenge camouflage material. I've always admired the patterns but never looked into the actual process of making the fabric in 1/1 scale. Fascinating stuff!
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A small update...
:-wave
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You and Draken35 have nice approach in separating parts and prepare them all in almost complete form and then join together. Dark color on wings?
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Black on wings? OK, if that's just a primer for lozenge ;) :-ok
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:))
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:-ok
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Black on wings is painted as primer, wings are now coated with Klear in order to prepare them for Lozenge application...
I have never tried to apply Klear directly on plastic, that's the reason why I painted Black.
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I applied gloss coat directly onto the plastic here: http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/forum/makete-aviona-aircraft-modeling/albatros-dr-i-elf-model-172/msg11471/#msg11471, although it was Gunze Mr. Super Clear, and not the Klear you're using :-think yep, I know this is totally different formulation...
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So did I... Here
http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/2009/05/03/fokker-dvii-limited-edition-%E2%80%9Csieben-schwaben%E2%80%9D-eduard-1139/
But it was not Klear, but some Cosmos aerosol gloss coat... :-ok
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Excellent photos can be found on this page...
http://www.williammaloney.com/Aviation/BromeCountyMuseum/index.htm
sample
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OK, here we go... My first entry is Roden model of Hauptmann Rudolf Berthold's early Fokker-built D.VII in 1/72 scale.
This kit generally received negative critics in reviews, all of them concerning bad fit of parts, lots of filling required etc... At first I was a little bit scared :-dal, but we'll see...
Opening the box I was amazed by level of surface detail moulded in this scale, as well as good rendition of tiny parts.
On the other hand, what I find negative is looots of flash on parts and also some of them look too fragile to handle...
Also there are some mould errors, like visible bulge on the lower wing. At least there are no pin marks on visible surface...
Instructions are of typical Roden style, clear and easy to follow, the only thing missing is paint instruction for most of smaller parts and interior.
By far the worst part of the kit are decals - all of them seem fragile and I think they'd go apart as soon as they feel the water nearby. Lozenge are story for itself - colours are absolutely missed, badly printed, out of register... You name it, they have it... :-wall
The model I'm going to build is shown on the back of the box, in colour.
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A lot of work mate there...
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My other entry is of the same producer and scale, this time Leutnant Karl Degelow's early Albatros-built plane.
What goes for Berthold's goes also for this one, both good and the bad :-roll
The only better (but not much better) issue are decals - this time overall quality of print and carrying film are much better. Alas, colours are still far out of range :-evil Interestingly enough, on the box they're almost spot-on :-think
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Is there any difference between those kits?
Comparing the fuselage from your photos of Dagelow's bird to Eduard Fuselage, they are very different
Roden
http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/forum/makete-aviona-aircraft-modeling/fokker-d-vii-group-build/?action=dlattach;attach=36569;image
Eduard
http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/forum/makete-aviona-aircraft-modeling/fokker-d-vii-group-build/?action=dlattach;attach=36259;image
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What will you do for the decals, Profa? Use those silly things, use decals from decal makers, use paint, or...?
If that can help you, it was possible on the Drome to download good decals that you just have to print yourself. If you haven't it, send me a PM with your mail adress and I will send those losenges to you.
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Nice Profa! :-ok
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Huh, you Samuraj have put me through hard time yesterday evening :-dal it was not enough I've spent greater part of the afternoon looking for appropriate blue shade for Bertholds machine, I had to deal with these cowling differences as well...
I :-paper through all my references, checked what Dan-San, van Wyngarden and Lawson said on this and other features of Degelows plane, and compiled nice list that I'm going to post later, when I finish my everydays' work...
Also some modelling had been done, but more on that also later.
@Daniel: more I'm looking the model, more I tend to use Techmods decals. To top the things, it seems it had 5-, and not 4-colour lozenge Roden has provided :-wall Please send me just the link from the drome and I'll download it... :-flo
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Here is the link. It's a long post...
http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/models/37519-lozenge-decal-test-all.html
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Don't see images :-wall :-wall - as Dan San had put it in his post, best samples are http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/475709-post719.html, but I can't see images :-kr :-kr :-kr
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As I've downloaded all those lozenges, I can anyway send the stuff to you... PM me...
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Yesterday after Samuraj's question I've searched through all the references I could find, and spent time until vee-hours to find the most probable answer/solution...
So, off to Fokker D.VII differences we go...
To study this, I think Windsock datafile specials Fokker D.VII Anthology are sine qua non - there you could find everything, or almost everything :-think one of the issues missing is just the photo of Degelows plane taken from appropriate angle and no people surrounding it :-/
Missing that, I stuck to what Dan-San and Stephen Lawson said, as well as data available. As one of them stated, all-in-all there were 26 different versions of Fokker D.VII from all 3 producers (MAG not accounted in).
The particular machine was probably from 525/18 - 874/18 batch, early Albatros production. Therefore the early style of cowling louvres should be applied.
In general, Albatros started their licence production of Fokkers by simply copying original aircraft received from mother factory - no plans delivered whatsoever... Therefore I tend to think that also louvres were copied, and modified only in later stage of production...
Anthology Vol.3 deals with Albatros-produced machines, and there some interesting pictures might be seen.
On page 59 is also shown variety of cowling details of Alb. machines, with later modifications and all...
Now, to two published profiles:
first one is Pearsons, and is based on Cross & Cockade 22/1: http://www.cbrnp.com/profiles/quarter1/fokker_d7/fokker-dvii-degelow.jpg - this version could also be seen in Osprey book Aircraft of the Aces n°63 (page 50), rendered by Dempsey, and at the back cover of Grub Street edition of Black Fokker Leader.
Another version, which shows louvres as Roden provided them, is seen in mentioned Windsock Fokker Anthology Vol.2, on the page 44 - this one is drawn by Ray Rimell.
Interesting fact is that on the same page is another profile of Jasta 40 machine, Auers one, with louvres as Eduard gave it.
Huh... this profile correspondss to another part of the story - somewhere after mid-August Jasta 40 changed markings so that horisontal tail surfaces weren't clearly white anymore, but with narrow dark blue stripes. Since the picture of Degelow in front of his machine is taken 08.11.1918, after he received Hoenzolern Orden, his markings should be the same :-roll Auers machine is pretty well documented, since it was captured by the British on 28.10.
That way maybe at the same time Degelow also had another, newer machine. He was Jastafuhrer, and naturally should have had it... BTW, plane on mentioned picture has OAW-built wings... aaagh!!!
To conclude: be as it is, I'm going to build it as an early sample, with all-white tail and no modification to louvres, to supposedly picture it as it was before mid-August...
Suggestion for further reading (apart from mentioned books):
http://theaerodrome.com/forum/models/3909-degelow-d-vii.html
http://theaerodrome.com/forum/models/4122-carl-degelows-fokker-d-vii-white-stag.html
Here are some nice advices to details in modelling D.VII, although for 1/48 Roden model: http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/models/3541-rodens-1-48-fokker-d-vii-build.html.
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Congratulations for your researches, Profa...
Problem with WWI aircrafts is that there are few certitudes and numerous questions...
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Another problem I faced was real colour of lozenge-printed textile and my resources of available decals for it :-think
On attached pictures you can see Rodens', Techmods' and PrintScale's decals, and at the right end, as a reference, is attached texture made by Doug Bauman from www.theaerodrome.com, after extensive researches...
It is obvious that:
- 4 colour top: neither comes close to the original :-wall
- 4-colour bottom: only sample marked as "Roden 1" comes any near, although colours are much more saturated :-/
- 5 colour top and bottom: unfortunatelly no Bauman's sample for bottom - here in top Techmod's sample surpases Roden's (all in green/brown hue???) and closes to Bauman's sample, although colours are again much more saturated...
That "Roden 2" 4-col sample was, by the way, given for Degelow's machine which should be in 5-col cammo :-dal
Since both machines have 5-col lozenge, I tend to use Techmods' decals for Degelow's and Roden's for Berthold's plane... Roden's top 5-col sample could as well find its way to the trash, I don't mind...
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I must commend you on the hard work and research y'all put into finding the proper patterns and colors of these camouflage schemes. A friend of mine asked me once why I was custom mixing some paint for a stock car model I was building for a museum display. I told him that modelers should try to capture the true color for historical accuracy. It's great to see you doing that here on these important machines!
This thread is a great resource for those of us who haven't delved into the WWI flying machines. :-flo
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Discussions about lozenges is a never ending story... My comment is just: take the ones you prefer, but beware that Techmod are very fragile decals - I don't like them...
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Lacking PE set for this airplane, or, to better put it, I have one set for 4 models, I decided to copy at least some parts of it.
Here is process of copying the seat (pics 1-3): PE set is attached with tape to aluminium cover of Nescafe can. It was outlined using sewing needle and cut with sharp #11. Best way is to cut it on a hard pad, like glass of plexi. Further it is handled like usual PE would be.
Next thing was to set lozenge on the interior surface of the cockpit (other pics) - for that I used 4-col Roden's decal, since Albatros built Fokker fuselages were covered in this, while wings were, as mentioned before, 5-colour. Decals are fragile, out of register and generally speaking bad, but once set in place (using enormous amount of solvent solution) and overpainted, look quite OK.
To simulate back-side of the cloth, I shaded it it light gray. The same goes for the cockpit back wall, which was also used as seat support, and was also made from Nescafe alu. To apply lozenge, I've transferred it first onto masking tape, which was later fixed to the plate.
Tomorrow I'll deal with engines and other interior parts...
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Excellent tip on how you duplicate PE...
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Next in line was assembly of engines - care should be taken when separating parts from the sprue... extreme care!! :-dal Only brend new knife would do a job without breaking fragile parts (as seen on the pic 1).
Later most of the details were painted, and now almost everything is prepared to assembly cockpits and fuselages.
One instrument panel was modified to depict Alb. built one, since it differed from original Fokkers.
For dials I have used leftovers from Eduard's Spad decals - there's plenty in reserve to build some more panels :-jump These were later coated with Klear to get glassy look.
I've simulated wood using Vallejo 70955 Flat Flesh as a base and 70939 Smoke as overcoat - this combination gives nice impression of used surface.
For braces I used thin steel wire, and metal parts of interior were painted Hu86 Light Olive for Fokker built and Hu92 Grey-green for Albatros built aircraft...
Now I have to weather and enhance details on interiors and engines using oil wash, and off to assembly we go...
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Nice work, Profa, and well detailed!
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Looks very nice mate! ;)
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So tiny!!!
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I've begun the Spandaus from Karaya...
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What a details!!!
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Great work Draken35 and Profa!
Talking about Roden decals, I used the one for the instrument panel in the argentine navy Se.5a I built (just finished gluing the wheels, propeller and windshield a few moments ago :-tri)
Hope to see more of it soon. I'd like to join the group build with a MAG built D.VII. I still do not have figured out what schemes is it going to be painted in, but I really like the rumanian one, since it saves me from using the lozenge and breaks a little the usual schemes.
This is the one I got. And yes I bought the double combo, a friend of mine was to build the hungarian one, but he chickened out:
(http://www.hyperscale.com/images/eduard1147reviewrb_1.jpg)
(http://www.hyperscale.com/2010/reviews/kits/p7hg_img_51/fullsize/4_fs.jpg)
(http://www.hyperscale.com/2010/reviews/kits/p7hg_img_51/fullsize/6_fs.jpg)
(http://www.hyperscale.com/2010/reviews/kits/p7hg_img_51/fullsize/7_fs.jpg)
(http://www.hyperscale.com/2010/reviews/kits/p7hg_img_51/fullsize/8_fs.jpg)
(http://www.hyperscale.com/2010/reviews/kits/p7hg_img_51/fullsize/scheme_a_fs.jpg)
(http://www.hyperscale.com/2010/reviews/kits/p7hg_img_51/fullsize/scheme_j_fs.jpg)
(http://www.hyperscale.com/2010/reviews/kits/p7hg_img_51/fullsize/scheme_b_fs.jpg)
Now that I think of it, may be I'll go with the CDL hungarian scheme. It combines the best of both worlds :))
Feels so weird going back to 48th scale, after so many years builing kits in 72nd, but I think I couldn't do it with a better kit than this one. Fits the kind of planes I like to build, it's very complete and saves me the pain of rigging a biplane.
Keep up the good work!
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Nice choice, Javier!
The Rumanian deco is simply splendid...
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khm :-think... I would definitely go with hungarian lozenge/red star combination, but that's up to you ;)
The only thing important is that you have a good model to build, and that you already enjoy looking forward to building it :-ok
Please jump in, as far as I know, May is far from over...
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I've finished the Karaya Spandaus, and replaced the propeller bosse with PE from PART...
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I will lost my self with all of this small part :(
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Crazy!! :-crazy
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Yes, there are lot of tiny parts... And I'm so nervious... ;-)
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Should I go with Eduard Spandaus to enhance one of these, I wonder? :-think Now when I look at yours, Daniel, my fingers are kinda itchy :-jump
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Karaya Spandaus are a little bit longer than Eduard ones. Eduard ones with PE are excellent too; the advantage of Karaya is that the grid is pre-rolled...
Anyway, primer was airbrushed today...
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Well, instead of installing cockpits and closing fuselages, this evening I've made myself two Spandaus ;) Happy winner of this set is not decided yet - I'll use it on the overall better looking plane.
At first there was a PE set (and I have two more in reserve :-jump) and third picture shows the progress.
For really small parts I made Pick'n'Place device of toothpick and blob of Blu-tack, and after few trial-by-errors got stretched sprue of the right diameter to serve as a template for rolling the grid. This sprue is put into the reserve bag, since by mistake I threw away one I made long time ago.
The barrel is also made from stretched sprue, while for muzzle I'm going to use a syringe needle.
After some two hours the result is evident, although there some parts that are going to be attached at the end, when I install the guns.
Tomorrow it's the fuselage assembling time :-wave
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:-eek :-cool :-love :-clap :-ok
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I'm wondering how the life look like before photo etched parts?
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Excellent work, Profa! I see that we're using the same tool (toothpick + Blu Tack)...
Srecko, your question is a fundamental, existential one... ;-)
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I'm wondering how the life look like before photo etched parts?
errr... like this? ;) To be honest, Roden did much better job comparing to Eduard, not to mention Airfix :-dal
Excellent work, Profa! I see that we're using the same tool (toothpick + Blu Tack)...
Heh, another proof that great minds work in unison :))
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What difference! :-eek
You have done great job!So tiny parts,but very successful job! :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
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Today I have mounted cockpit floor, just to find that it 1mm is missing to get to fuselage walls :-/
Sheet styrene came to the rescue (pics 1-2), and 15 minutes later everything was set (pics 3-4). There's luckily no much difference between old and new "wooden planks" :)
After cockpits I've installed engines with exhausts and firewalls, corrected paint where needed, and these are last pictures before closing fuselages...
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Excellent work!!!
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It is so nice.I love busy cockpit! :-clap :-clap :-clap
Now,we wait for instrument panel... :-flo
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Now,we wait for instrument panel...
Already done: http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/forum/makete-aviona-aircraft-modeling/fokker-d-vii-group-build/msg22162/#msg22162 ;)
Fuselages are glued and waiting to dry, afterwards goes mount of upper deck and radiator, and then to see what to do with the wings... :-think
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Fantastic work!!!
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@Profa
I thought it had not yet mounted in the cockpit. ;)
When will you set up it in cockpit? :-think
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So, coming back from No.1's coffee and putting kids to bed, I faced the both fuselages dry and ready for sanding and, on the other hand, both radiators in bad need of trimming and thinning to get appropriately into place :-/
First the Berthold's plane: 1st pic shows everything prepared for work, and 2nd shows the meaning I used to fix the radiator to the fuselage. At that time I checked the fuselage-to-wings joint, and 3rd pic shows the obvious - wing has to be cut in half, and then the resulting hole shall require filling... :-wall
Rest of the pics shows that after the first round of sanding everything looks nice, although putty shall be required... Radiator now looks OK, that part is finished... :-obey
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In parallel I was working on Degelow's plane, so sequence of pictures is pretty much the same, as well as results of my work... No need for explanation here, read previous post ;)
Luckily, plastic is soft and very easy to work with, requires just light wet sanding with 800grit paper...
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Knowing your work rhythm, this going fast ;)
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Excellent progression indeed! Hope that the fitting problems will not ask too work...
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Beautiful work. The engine..... :-love (can you tell I'm a powerplant mechanic?)
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Good job Profa! :-clap
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Tamiya XF-59 as wood base...
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:-ok
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Wood finished (for the method, see my topic on the Dr.I) except for the propeller...
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For the propeller, depends on the make - some were left laminated, while other received uniform coat of dark brown...
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Some filling with Mr. Surfacer 500 (thinned with nitro solvent) and sanding later, almost everything is smooth...
To check the smoothness of the surface I used MM aluminium metalizer which dried into dust - gives pretty nice reflection and is not as adhesive as paint...
I also noticed that MG posts have to be filed so the guns won't stand too high above fuselage. This is Berthold's plane
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...and Degelow's:
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Excellent progress and very soon I will join to you friends ;)
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Very nice! ;)
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Nice progress!
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Continuing today - to renew frames that would be seen under the canvas and expanding it over the fuselage, I've used Tamiya tape and thinned Mr. Surfacer. After it dried, I lightly sanded it to soften edges.
I didn't do it on Bertholds plane because fuselage halves didn't match as should, so for me the best thing was just to lightly sand joint seam and hope that it shall be OK when painted and weathered...
Next thing was to apply Parts etched stitching on both, and fuselages are now ready for painting... :-jump
Back to the issue with lower wings - I've cut one wing in two to check the gap (seen on the 3rd pic :-wall). Right now I'm thinking how to fill it :-dal... Only now I've cut the other lower wing from the sprue, and you can see how badly Roden molded it... Luckily, nothing that sanding couldn't correct...
Tomorrow I expect to gloss coat all the wings and start working on lozenge...
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Don't think much, glue a piece of styrene from the other side and fill the gap with epoxy repair. After it dries, sand it and put some putty as usually :-ok
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+1 with Samuraj
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Just painted the coussin, in Vallejo Marron Brown
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The seat is painted
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Well,today is your "detail painting day"! :-clap
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Here I am- basic yellow interior...
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:-ok
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:-wave
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Ohohoho... :-jump :-jump
Great job Samuraj! :-clap :-clap :-clap
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Yellow? :-dal
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Yellow? :-dal
Base coat...
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Excellent work, y'all!
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Well, things are evolving here...
Nice wood, Samuraj!
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A little bit of Vallejo Oily Steel (I prefer that to aluminium or silver...)
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What a great look!!!
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I really like that paint. It gives a nice "old metal" rendering.
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I definitely share Srecko's opinion.It look like real thing! :-clap :-clap
One question for you.Where you found all these corks for bottles? :-think At least i think that it is corks the bottle.
;)
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Thanks mate, that color of yours (Valejo) really looks good on plastic :-ok
Are you planing to open the engine compartment?
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Nice shade - Vallejo really has good choice of metallic paints :-ok
@Sall: I have at least 6-10 corks from "Aqua Viva" water, it's the best for mixing acrylic paints, pigments and even oil wash
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I definitely share Srecko's opinion.It look like real thing! :-clap :-clap
One question for you.Where you found all these corks for bottles? :-think At least i think that it is corks the bottle.
;)
Corks of bottles of water. Have a big family...
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Thanks mate, that color of yours (Valejo) really looks good on plastic :-ok
Are you planing to open the engine compartment?
No, I will not open the engine compartment. If I would to do that, I should have to add many, many elements to the engine to detail it...
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Today I feel much better and I spent 2.5 hours in work on Fokker D.VII. So I have spray all of the small parts in base grey green color, assembled wings and place all of the lozenge decals. Work on lozenge is real pleasure :-love
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Nice work, mate!
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Thank you mate ;) More work on painting of small details.
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OK... I see now which decoration you have chosen... ;)
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Decals work is excellent! :-clap :-clap ,and,as i see,your wood painting of small parts is also great! :-clap ;)
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Sure looks good, glad you're better now :-ok
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OK... I see now which decoration you have chosen... ;)
I want say: ...you have NOT choosen...
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For myself, a few airbrushing seance...
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;)
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Work on fuselage interior as well assembly of the half's completed ;)
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Bravo! :-clap :-clap :-clap
Nice progress! ;)
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Thank you- maybe painting tomorrow :))
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Fast and excellent...
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Gloss varnish...
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:-ok
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Yes, thanks, but I'm sooo sloooowwww.....
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More progress on my side :))
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Fine work...
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:-ok
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I'm also busy with the decals.
I will use the Microsculpt ones, but Eduards ones are useful to use as model. Except of course for the parts that there were no decal furnished by Eduard...
On the left, the Microsculpt.
The work will be long... But it's a funny stage!
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It sure looks good, no matter which decals you're going to use :-ok
Regarding my progress... it's obvious, it's just that I didn't take pictures of each painting step and was busy finishing Huey. More from me later in the day :-wave
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White spray on tail...
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Good!
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:-ok
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Struts placed and it is ready now to take a coat of black color
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So you're painting black over green struts... :-think strange work sequence...
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Green was just test...
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Black over front and middle section ;)
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Good job Srecko! :-clap :-clap
I like it! ;)
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Well, as said earlier, here's my progress...
First picture shows amount of flesh on tail parts - I needed half hour to get from the left to the right side, for each pair. Becomes a little boring, correcting lots of stupid small things... :-wall
Meanwhile I set most of lozenge decals - Techmod was a little fragile, but with use of Mr. Gunze Sangyo chemistry set absolutely great. On the other hand, if Techmod was fragile, Roden was totaly delicate to handle, but came out OK, again with liberate amounts of Japanese chem...
Fuselages are also painted or, better to say, Berthold's received base coat of CDL. Both are Vallejo ModelColor.
Last two pictures show use of math to make lozenge for ailerons, and finished sample.
Next is to paint streaky cammo on Bertholds' and white on Degelow's, rib tapes on both... Continuing tomorrow... :-wave
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:-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
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Here's small update - lozenge finished :-jump, and by the way I have corrected parts I've scratched earlier on the top surface by applying same parts of "canvas" over it.
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Nice progress!
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This morning I've finished lozenge, but tonight didn't want to bother my eyes applying rib tapes under artificial light, left that for tomorrow.
Nevertheless there's plenty of work, and painting was next in the order...
Here's my first try in streaky cammo - some correction is needed, but first result seems OK to me. Color used is Hu 86 Light Olive.
Second pic is another Fokker, although a little of it could be seen - when I mask, I really do mask!
Joke aside, I painted white using Gunze Mr. Base White spray. Since I'm working mostly with paintbrush I'm not so used to masking process - therefore better to mask everything than to leave some small spot uncovered ;)
Hope that tomorrow there'll be time for some rib taping :-wave
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Undercover F.VII :))
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Nice streaky camo!!!
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This morning I've taken off mask and, other than minor overspray on the right side :-wall, white is OK...
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Fortunately, no irremediable disaster... ;)
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My camera battery is empty, later I will take images of green painted front piece.
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Decal setting phase...
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It's 3 days now that I'm applying rib tapes( :-wall :-wall), and I'm almost finished... on Degelow's plane :-roll
For Berthold's I yet have to cut it from lozenge table :-dal, so it'll take some more time...
Of note are two things - it took me on average 3.5 min x tape (100 pieces for both surfaces of both wings), and more important that you get much better and cleaner cut if you cut tapes from the decal table when it is positioned face down onto the cutting mat. Cut gently, 2-3 strokes, instead of one strong.
Yep, pics tomorrow, now I'm going to continue taping... :-wave
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Well, this tape wait me tomorrow, I did not even touch plastic kits last days
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Rib tapes for Berthold's plane are given as simple lozenge table, so I had to cut 'em one by one.
To do that I again stole useful tip, this time from the internet: apply masking tape onto the cutting mat in level with one thinner grid line. The width of line perchance corresponds to the width of the rib tape (:))), so it's easy to face the decal down and level it to the masking tape, level the ruler to the lower edge of the grid line and cut applying some light strokes. It takes some time, but at the end you have useful batch of rib tapes ;)
Second pic shows fuselage and tail after second (and final) coat of Light Olive - for me it's perfect!
Meanwhile I got what seems just the right shade of the Jasta 15 blau (thanx, Samuraj! :-flo), so now all I have to do is wait for this to dry, apply gloss, apply cross, apply mat, paint... Not so much work :-roll
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Streak are great!!!
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Extra! ;)
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Beautiful! And I thought cutting rib tapes on real airplanes was a repetetive job........
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Finally I am little back to modeling and strip day on my side (this was planed to be week ago...)
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Don't forget to apply the tape also onto the innermost rib (the one closest to the fuselage) ;)
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Good point!!! I would forget this without your notice! Thank you, you have a barrel of alcohol from me ;)
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Very good No.1 :-clap
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Nice work, mates!
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Small update from me :-/
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Guys, you are "crazy", this is fantastic :-obey :-obey :-obey :-obey :-obey :-obey :-tri :-wave
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Small update from my side, although it contains one week of work - Degelow's wings are fully decaled and everything's ready for mat coat, while Berthold's are in the process of applying rib tapes and fuselage still dries, to be gloss coated... Oh yes, both sets of wings require minor corrections to ripped decals (blaming and cursing Roden and my clumsiness all the time :-evil)
BTW nice interior, Samuraj :-ok
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Well done mates!
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What I made yesterday...
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Today, minor corrections on the upper wing. Microsculpt decals are nice but fragile... Really fragile... Very fragile... :-evil
The wing is photographed being still under the MicroSet effect :-roll
For the ribs, I'm finally using Americal Gryphon ones. Just because there is more ribs on that sheet than on the Eagle Strike, and more ribs than present on Eduard decal sheet will be needed. Work in progress on the undersurfaces.
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:-clap :-clap :-clap
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Nice work on your sample :) I get some time and almost complete strips on this machine. But must say that I have almost wipe off all paint and decals from this kit as well I find and sample which served until 1943!!! Next time :-razz
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I get more time to work on my D.VII
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Excellent progression, and nice choice for the deco!
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I like it to. Must do it as soon as possible, tooooooooo long stand on my work bench. There is much more interesting projects to do!
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For my kit I've actually problems with Microsculpt decals. As you can read on Theaerodrome, there are the best - they say. I'm not convinced at all... Sure there are nice for what concerns lozenge colors (even if, as said, none owns the truth in this domain...) but there are a pitty to place. After three coats of MicroSol, I still have defaults in the upper lozenge decals of my upper wing...
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You have preserved samples of fabric in your country so you can always check out who is the best.
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Few steps done in meantime :))
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You have preserved samples of fabric in your country so you can always check out who is the best.
Right. But here it's just a question of decals quality...
Excellent progress on yours, mate.
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Thank you mate. So- need to print new decals for lozenge?
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Thank you mate. So- need to print new decals for lozenge?
I think no. I will resolve that problem on any manner... ;)
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Little progress - plus 4th MicroSol coat on the lozenges...
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To copy again images I have accidentally put in Dr.I topic :-wall
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I like that Fokker...
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Nice build and nice appearance :-clap I like your wing-installation jig :-tri
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Yesterday I was dealing mostly with Degelow's plane - smaller parts, struts and similar...
I was extremely careful, so only one strut broke when detaching from the sprue. Interesting is that it is same as the Berthold's one which is still on the sprue, and broke at exactly the same spot :-dal (pics 1-2)
Later I attached lower wing(s) to the fuselage of Degelow's plane, and this morning, along a coffee, thought of quick-filling of the gap using Tamiya basic putty. This plain stupidity just shows my morning state of mind, when coffee is still undrunk :-roll
Other plane received cross, which'll be overpainted these days...
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Streaky camo... must do something very soon in this way and to refresh my mind!!!
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Nice progress!
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Finally,i'm here again.
Great,great job i saw here guys.Just go ahead!! :-clap :-clap :-clap
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After 5 coats of MicroSol, the upper wing is finally OK... But asked for minor corrections, some lozenge being damaged in the process...
And I'm continuing to place the ribs...
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Just to put wires and my build is complete :))
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Bravo!! :-clap
Now,let's go to finish this! ;)
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Sweet... :)
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:))
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Very tasty colorful gem :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
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Well done
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Some work from my side, although there wasn't much time these days...
Berthold: Finished rib tapes and wing crosses applied - the pressure of the tweezers was just a little too hard for fragile Roden's decals, but this was later corrected with paint.
This morning the center section of the upper wing is sprayed base white, and later a blue was applied - I've finaly laid my hands onto the shade I imagined :-jump - maybe just a little too light, but proper blue - MM 1594 (Thanx, Tanja! :-flo). Here's first layer, while the second one is going to do the thing, I believe :)
Degelow: I intended to use wash on the wings to minimise obvious silvering of rib tapes, which even liberal application of nitro solvent couldn't kill (first 2 pics). Following pictures show the progress and finished surface of lower wings - unfortunatelly, silvering is still visible :-wall
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Where is Tanja?
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Was here yesterday, with a family - kids had a playday, and we discussed weathering techniques...
Unfortunately weather was bad so we were inside , although the original plan was to unleash some kites by the river...
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Everywhere you go always take a weather with you ;)
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Nice progress!!!
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A small evening update: MGs are mounted, along with gun blast tubes. These are made of beforementioned Nescafe can.
Don't know if you have already noticed footsteps on the wings - aluminium-painted decal...
Until soon :-wave
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Fine work - Your exhaust is splendid!
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Great work Profaaa!!! :-clap :-clap :-clap
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Profaaaaa! :-obey :-tri :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
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Today I played scratchbuilding a little - Aldis gunsight is made of syringe, as are gun tubes... Christ, what a job to cut those little pieces and try to keep'em on the table at the same time :-wall Actually I've cut 4 but have found only 2.
Support for gunsight is of stretched sprue. OK, the paint should be corrected, it wasn't scratched so much...
Now the stage is finally set for attachment of upper wing :-roll
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Must say that you have sharp eye's :-ok
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A beauty...
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Today I played scratchbuilding a little - Aldis gunsight is made of syringe, as are gun tubes... Christ, what a job to cut those little pieces and try to keep'em on the table at the same time :-wall Actually I've cut 4 but have found only 2.
That brings up one of "Murphy's Laws"--often I scratchbuild something and then lose it. The second copy always goes together faster but is never the same quality as the first..... :-roll
Great job, everyone!!!!!
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Really nice scratchbuild.Everything is so small!! :-clap :-clap
I agree with Scott.Always is like he said. :-roll
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A little woodwork :-joke
Both propellers were given a base coat of Vallejo Flat Flesh.
On Axial it was followed by Vallejo Smoke, to make a lighter wooden texture (1st pic), then a light coat of gloss to protect surface. Next was careful masking (pics 2-4), and painting of darker shade using Humbrol 10 Brown - pics 5-6 show it before and after taking the mask off. :-tri
Garuda received just a light coat of Precision RLM 26, I wanted to obtain reddish hue...
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This is great and no doubt not easy to cover and protect with tape that narrow and curved object!
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Crazy work! :-clap :-clap
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Nice!!!
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Beautiful lamination!
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Still busy with rib tapes...
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Very precise work as I can see!
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I would have loved that ther was enoughblue ribs on the Eduard decal sheet... At the exact dimension, would have avoided a long work of measurement, and problems with Americal ribs, that are... Well... let say they have their own character... ;)
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Good work Daniel! ;)
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Thank you Sall!
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Nice work, Daniel :-ok, and I find it strange that Eduard didn't give enough of rib tapes :-dal
From my side, there was some work yesterday - the mount of upper wing was pretty straightforward: first I mounted interplane struts onto the lower wing and checked the angle with my »eyeball sight Mk.I« :-eek. Then everything was attached to upper wing, using the jig of old coins to set wings parallel.
Checking cabane struts, I faced strange problem – verticals are longer, V-shaped strut has wrong angle, its front leg is too long while rear is too short :-dal... I suppose that actually interplane struts were just a little too short... However, some surgery is needed to put everything into correct position :-think
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Complex job for that scale!! Nicely done :-ok
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Nice work, Daniel :-ok, and I find it strange that Eduard didn't give enough of rib tapes :-dal
From my side, there was some work yesterday - the mount of upper wing was pretty straightforward: first I mounted interplane struts onto the lower wing and checked the angle with my »eyeball sight Mk.I« :-eek. Then everything was attached to upper wing, using the jig of old coins to set wings parallel.
Checking cabane struts, I faced strange problem – verticals are longer, V-shaped strut has wrong angle, its front leg is too long while rear is too short :-dal... I suppose that actually interplane struts were just a little too short... However, some surgery is needed to put everything into correct position :-think
Thank you Profa! Well, for Eduard ribs it seems paradoxal to say that ther is enough ribs but in the same time there is not enough...
But to explain more clearly, see the boxart of Eduard Dual Combo box: ribs are also present on the chord of the wings, ailerons (see my first photo here)... Eduard privided some ribs in supplement, but not enough to do the chord of an entire aircraft. Supplement of ribs sounds more present in case of some accident with the "normal" ones.
Strange problems you have encountered. I just hope you will not have too much difficulties to correct them. Your work is excellent...
For myself, I continue to place Americal ribs. And I HATE them! There are breakable, difficult to place but easy to go away... Anyway I have no choice, there are the only ribs I own in sufficient quantity for my kit...
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ribs are also present on the chord of the wings, ailerons (see my first photo here)...
Huh, few ideas for your rib problem: for the chord of the wings I'd use appropriate paint - just use middle part of the paintbrush and go lightly.
I wouldn't use rib tapes for ailerons (and I didn't), 'cause these usually weren't covered :-think Maybe Eduard was wrong on this (they tend to have that problem sometimes...)
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Original and corrected rear leg of the V-strut, and sets put in place.
Also the cut on the fron vertical strut could be seen
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Nice correction, Profa!
ribs are also present on the chord of the wings, ailerons (see my first photo here)...
Huh, few ideas for your rib problem: for the chord of the wings I'd use appropriate paint - just use middle part of the paintbrush and go lightly.
I wouldn't use rib tapes for ailerons (and I didn't), 'cause these usually weren't covered :-think Maybe Eduard was wrong on this (they tend to have that problem sometimes...)
Good idea forthe painting. And thanks for the precision, for the ailerons. I will try to find some photos of the Belgian airplane I wish to make, to see if there are ribs around the ailerons or not for that particular aircraft...
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...There aren't any ribs... Will correct that soon...
http://users.skynet.be/fa233213/En/AircraftModels/Fokker/DVIIBe/FokDVIIBerearright.html
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I've removed the ribs of the ailerons.
But well, I'm really bothered with those decals that are fragile (Microsculpt) and breakable (Americal): the dythirambic comments on the drome sounds me not correct at all...
I'm really envisaging to REMOVE ALL those lozenges and ribs and to make a version provided by Eduard, with Eduard decals! Not decided yet, but...
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Do not do that, I'd say :-think... You've put in too much of an effort, and the thing looks too cool to be stripped off :-roll
Just try to make some appropriate salmon pink, take a brush in your hand and no doubt you'll make the nice birdie ;)
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Thank you Profa for your kind words, but there is bubbles under the lozenge and the ribs; if you try to remove them, you make holes and have to repare... and that creates bubbles in other locations! It's disappointing. And I don't like to continue in a way that is not satisfying for me.
I just come back from my workbench: not decided yet but clearly, I have the envy to remove those decals. Perheaps not for an Eduard deco; but for an all khaki unarmed Belgian D.VII... I keep my decision in instances until wednesday (the weather will be more clement; actually impossible to work in the workbench...).
Oh, and to have to restart a deco is not a problem, but in such a case the good solution ;)
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Well... Thinking and thinking again at that problem, I've decided not to wait until wednesday. The parts were dropped in methanol. I've removed decals and paint. Now I have to choose another decoration... Will take some days for that.
Profa, I really have no regret at all ;)
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The point is that you're satisfied with the model, be it built from zero. That was just my opinion, but you do it as you wish, I'd live with it ;)
No, if we could help you with the idea for decoration, just say... Any other Belgian Fokkers on that BR sheet?
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I have not said my last word with that aircraft... I will try to make my own lozenge decals (those of Doug Baumann). Will try on inkjet decal paper; if not satisfied, next month I will buy laser decal paper...
Never surrender! ;)
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You are crazy! :))
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You are crazy! :))
Yes, I'm sure of that ;)
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How about a dutch or russian machine? Do you happen to have any of those Blue Rider decal sheets? May be a lithuanian machine?
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Well, I really wish to build a Belgian one. And the second kit of the box will be German.
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Pulling the strings, or how to make control surfaces "work":
The first point to attach wire (elastane, in my case ;)) was lower aileron control horn (pic 1).
Next I've drilled hole through the tail, where upper horisontal stabiliser wires should go. Then I attached elastane (string, from now on) to a fine wire with a drop of CA glue and used wire as a needle to pass string through the hole. Then CA glue to the fuselage point of entry, attach, wait a minute, CA glue to the stabiliser control horn, pull the string over it, wait a minute, cut with sharp xacto... Next string... (pics 2-7) ...as simple as that :))
Why rudder is missing? I didn't want it to stand in the way until needed or, even worse, to break it unintentionally... :-dal
Then I attached control wires for ailerons on fuselage side, and then scratchbuilt upper aileron control horns (of stretched sprue) (pics 8-9). Strangely enough, Roden made a hole in the wing, instead of raised horn :-wall...
The last of todays' work was installation of rudder, of course in offset position (pics 10-11). Now I'll wait for it to set, then rudder control strings and finally tail struts are to be mounted...
More soon... :-wave
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Nice work, Profa!
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Today I've prepared the 4 colours lozenges and blue ribs from Doug Baumann (made .pdf with long bands of lozenges and one with the ribs). Then I tried to print the lozenges on clear decal sheet paper - a disaster! Maybe my printer is too old (HP930); maybe the decal sheet paper I received from a friend is too old or not for inkjet printers...
So OK, my D.VII is actually placed in reserve; next month I will buy laser decal sheets...
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Last minute works on "white stag" comprised of attachment of rest of strings, then the landing gear assembly. Here I remembered that I might add shock absorbers of simple thread - this should be done before the landing gear wing was attached to the rest :-think, this way I made complicated operation out of it :-wall (seen on pic)...
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Small details were left for the end - lifting handles made of wire, PE leg support (Part gives two pieces, only port side is needed), a little touch-up of paint where needed...
...and here it is, finished! :-jump :-love
Comments welcome! :-wave
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:-ok :-ok :-ok :-flo :-flo :-flo :-clap :-clap :-clap
You deserve bottle of alcohol called rakija for this marvelous job :-tri
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What to say?? :-think
Beautiful work indeed!!! :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
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Absolutely beautiful, Profa. I'm learning much from you folks about these early machines and the final product is inspiring.
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Well done, Profa!
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After two days' break, I continued this evening with "winged sword": first pic shows it after 3 layers of blue, where everything seems just right. Next was paint of first red layer... oh, this would require more than 3 to properly cover the surface :-think
While at it, I separated from the sprue all the struts. As mentioned earlier, one interplane strut was already broken, so I had to be extremely careful cleaning the others. 45 minutes later, all are flesh-free and ready for paint... The mentioned strut broke at another point, so it was 3-piece affair :-wall
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Crash is normal thing with small parts but also depend from manufacturer plastic
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Nice work :)
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I like those paints... :-flo
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Splendid. Had similar problems of fragile little parts with 1/72 Roden kits...
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Waiting for red to dry and glue to set (I broke N-strut...yet again :-wall :-wall), I tried to take some detail pictures of finished "white stag" - guns, undercarriage and tail cables. Hope you like it...
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Work on this subject is everything but easy and you have complete this in very descent way :-ok
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Yes, really nice build!
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Very fine machine! :-obey :-obey
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Good photos Profa! :-flo
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Today I have ordered for clear laser decal sheets. Hope to receive them soon, and to try to obtain a good result...
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Red required 5 layers, but now fuselage is prepared for attachment of lower wing.
Also all small red parts are finished, as well as landing gear wing which received second layer of olive.
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Very good result mate! :-clap
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Splendid!
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A little progress: after white primer, I've airbrushed Vallejo Wood on the propeller. It's the base before more developped work...
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:-ok
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This Vallejo is really nice shade for base :-ok
That's AirColor, right?
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This Vallejo is really nice shade for base :-ok
That's AirColor, right?
Hi Scott,
No it's not the Vallejo Air, it's the normal one that you have to dilute (I use glass washing product for Vallejo; it's perfect).
I must say I like Vallejo paints...
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Hi Scott,
:-dal :) ;)
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Hi Scott,
:-dal :) ;)
Oups...
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Great work, both of you! Yes, I'm still observing...... :-wave
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I have attached lower wings, also crosses are set on upper wing and rudder.
Now it's time for filling the gap :-roll
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Excellent work on gap :))
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Profa, if you speak about the gap between the wing and the fuselage, don't fill it: on the actual airplane, the wings were simply fixed, and the presence of a gap is normal...
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Daniel, I was talking about the gap between wing halves underneath the fuselage, the one where I had to separate them in order to get enough distance to fix'em properly to the fuselage... it's not just a gap, it's actually 2mm hole :-bat
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Plastic strips and filler could solve this ;) You know that, I am sure
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Daniel, I was talking about the gap between wing halves underneath the fuselage, the one where I had to separate them in order to get enough distance to fix'em properly to the fuselage... it's not just a gap, it's actually 2mm hole :-bat
OK, you're right for that: must be filled... ;)
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Spandaus are painted in Gun Metal...
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Nice reminder :) Long time ago I have use pin wise to hold small parts :-clap
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Nice reminder :) Long time ago I have use pin wise to hold small parts :-clap
Best way to go with the Spandaus I think... ;)
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:-ok
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Finally have found Bison's 2-component epoxy to cure the gap :-obey
I've used this before, but during the apartment change it somehow got lost :-roll
2 minutes mix and application later, gap looks much better. Another light coat will follow after this one dries...
As the afterthought - epoxy blob, leftover from mixing, could be used for water puddle on some diorama or model base (last pic)... ;)
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Transparent version, nice one :-ok
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Nice! :-ok
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Actually, I had already used it to simulate water on this "heavy rains" vignette, few years ago:
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa189/jaka013/BrailleScale/REV_KruppProtze_Pak/th_32.jpg) (http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa189/jaka013/BrailleScale/REV_KruppProtze_Pak/32.jpg)
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Epoxy was water sanded with 270 and 800 grit, and after painting there's no gap :-jump
I also made footsteps, this time of alu foil...
Meanwhile (tonight, that is) the plane is weathered, so now it's just to apply some decals and top wing follows...
I love this peacock more and more :-love
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Well done with the epoxy! :)
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Epoxy is a meaning of life ;)
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Soo good!!! :-clap :-clap
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Photos since 5 minutes ago: weathering is almost finished, guns are on, as well as aileron cables, so now it's time for top wing assembly... :-jump
This will happen later in the evening, when we put kids to sleep :-wch
Afterwards I'll correct paint on MG blast tubes, blast protection, and put some drybrush of red in few places...
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Excellent!! :-clap
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:-ok :-ok :-ok
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Great job :-ok
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I was not happy with the painting of the propeller... So, once again...
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:( I don't like when I have to repeat process :(
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:( I don't like when I have to repeat process :(
I had no choice: my propellers were really badly painted; furthermore I consider that as testing for different methods ;)
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:( I don't like when I have to repeat process :(
Me too! :-roll
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Part of our hobby - repeat until satisfied :-roll
I did the same with red on my Fokker, not to mention 3x works on Flashar's Albatros...
Now I'm on a business trip, so you might expect next update of my project around the weekend... Good thing - my hotel is in spa, and there's indoor pool... Question is whether I'll have time for it :-/
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Tamiya XF-59
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Nice! ;)
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Precision:
Left: the Fokker D.VII propeller.
Right: the Dr.I one.
Above: Albatros D.XI (Karaya 1/48 ) one...
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Front side of the propeller: Burnt Umber
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So precise work! ;)
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Garuda and two Axials - nice :-ok
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So... after 3 days out of house, I have continued works yesterday evening...
As mentioned in Degelow's build, one of last obstacles is strut assembly - these are out of scale, so here are pictures of originals and my modifications...
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Nice details ;)
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Very fine work... Splendid!
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...and my final word on struts, this morning during the (second) morning coffee :)
Now to some more cabling, rudder attachment , sword decals, landing gear, and that would be about it :-jump
thanks for nice comments :-flo
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Very nice!!!
...Hey, and you can make models drinking coffee??? Impossible for me; coffee makes me too nervious...
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Without morning coffee I couldn't even see the model box, let alone the struts... :-roll
Usually I drink coffee throughout the day, and all the time I'm modelling - almost like a juice :-wch
Tonight I've finished work around two, took a last sip of coffee and went straight to bed - no problem for me :)
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Very good job Profa. Just go on! :-clap :-clap And give us more! :)) ;)
I don't drink coffee. I won't to have tail! :)) :-roll
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Cabling for horisontal stabiliser was done as on Degelow's plane - fine wire was used as a needle to thread elastomere through drilled plastic, and the rest was piece of cake...
Afterwards I've attached and wired the rudder, attached tailplane struts and applied winged sword decals. These are as fragile as it might be, so the crack could be seen :-/ This was corrected after taking a pic.
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Little number wires but again need patience ;) Nice work :-ok
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Without morning coffee I couldn't even see the model box, let alone the struts... :-roll
Usually I drink coffee throughout the day, and all the time I'm modelling - almost like a juice :-wch
Tonight I've finished work around two, took a last sip of coffee and went straight to bed - no problem for me :)
That schedule sounds familiar! I worked a midnight shift for eight years so coffee hasn't much effect on me either.....
Great work and thanks for the updates!
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This time I was clever enough to mount "shock-absorbers" prior to attach landing gear to the fuselage :))
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...and here's sneak peek of the just finished model :-jump
Hope to have nice weather tomorrow, in order to make proper pictures... :-roll
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Waiting for more pics. Look soo good! ;)
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Done, finished :-jump :-love
I think I'll take a break of double-deckers :-think... just to finish few more :-roll :))
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outstanding work my friend.
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Nice work!!!
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Great work mate! :-clap :-clap
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BEAUTIFUL!
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That is nicely done indeed.
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Excellent work :-ok
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Second face of the propeller...
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Nice :-ok
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Thank you mate!
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+1 with Srecko! :-clap
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I've sent pics to Roden, and: http://www.roden.eu/HTML/framenews.htm
Must say that I'm very happy :-jump
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Congratulations, Profa!
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Yes, congrats!
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Do you have direct link, can't see it :(
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Do you have direct link, can't see it :(
Me too!
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I found it!!
http://www.roden.eu/Gallery/025/025.htm
http://www.roden.eu/Gallery/033/033.htm
Congratulations Profa!! :-clap I'm very happy for you! :-tri
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First link is Przemyslaw Litewka but other one is our Profa :-ok
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There is some mistake. On home page writes:
#025 - Zoran Jakovljevic, Pancevo, Serbia
#033 - Zoran Jakovljevic, Pancevo, Serbia
As you see,i copied this to links,but on first writes some name,which is not Profa,but i think that it is Profa's work! ;)
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Enjoy mate ;)
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They obviously didn't put pics of Berthols' plane, although they announced it in news section. That Litewka's work is old one. Should I push them about that? :-think
Thanks for nice words, my friends!
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No need to push anybody... enjoy modeling ;)
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No need to push anybody... enjoy modeling ;)
Of course I'm enjoying it, and of course I was :-joke about pushing ;)
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Well, I have finally received clear decal sheets for laser printer!!!
After a first order in the USA that never came at home (tracking revealed that it was delivered in... Miami...), I've bought 5 sheets in England and after a week I can say "hoooray"!!!
Will try to print Doug Bauman's lozenges...
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Nice! ;) We wait for continue! :-flo
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Waiting to see Dougs decals on wings :-jump
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Friday during the lunch I go to the printshop to print with a laser printer the lozenges on the laser decal sheets. All worked very fine.
During the week-end I began the work. To be mentioned that clear decal sheet gives translucid decals! Perheaps is it better for lozenges to use white laser decal sheets; but fortunately the white primer was OK to obtain a good result.
I'm happy with the work of Doug Baumann, that gives nice lozenges. The clear decal sheets are also very good, thin but resistant.
Here are two photos of the work in progress.
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Great job! :-clap
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Excellent look and I am glad that you will reduce number of kits in work ;)
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Thank you mates!
Srecko you're right, the stock of "kits in progress" haves to lower drastically... ;)
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Looks great now!
I definitely like Doug's colours...
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Yes, Doug made a great job!
Work still in progress (sorry, bad light...)
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:-ok
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No problem about the light, situation is clear ;)
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Thanks mates! ;)
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Are you sure about rib tapes on ailerons (again)? :-think
Yes, we'd already mentioned it... http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/forum/makete-aviona-aircraft-modeling/fokker-d-vii-group-build/msg23761/#msg23761
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You're right Profa, I'm so "in the moon"...
Will correct that quickly. Thanks!!!
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Lozenge decaling on the wings and ailerons is finished now!
I have begun to place the German crosses, that will be covered by Belgian cockades. It's important that the German crosses can be seen under Belgian colors, like on the actual photos...
I take my photos before to use MicroSol ;)
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This is so nice!!! Interesting to note that Fokker D.VII was used in United States and they use it with original German markings until 1923!
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Excellent,excellent job! Like on real plane. :-clap :-clap :-clap
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Thank you mates!
I will resume the work in 2 or 3 days; very busy time actually...
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Nice looking combination of decals, and those lozenge are :-ok
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Thank you! Yes, the lozenge are fabulous, but I think it's better to use white decal sheet than clear ones, to give more luminosity to the decals...
Anyway, I'm very happy of the work of Doug!
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Belgian cockades are applied on the upper wing. MicroSol is used. More than one application will be needed I think...
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Have worked very carefully with a (new) razor blade; then MicroSol again...
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:-ok
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Very,very nice! ;)
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Thanks!
Good news is that I still have ten fingers... ;)
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Works are still progressing:
The engine must have to be weathered now. and I've begun to glue the parts of the interior of the fuselage but have curiously encountered some fitting problems... :-eek :-think
As you can see on the phtos, I've not removed the Microsculpt decals in the cockpit: with the short space; and the light that will be different, not only the difference of the interior/exterior lozenges will be really insignifiant; but that can also represent the "faded" side of the lozenges...
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Fitting problems? Top of the fuselage just behind of engine?
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Exactly. If you watch the third photo, you will see that I have sanded all the parts intersecting the two half fuselages...
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Issue by the same parts, easy to solve :) One big hammer will solve that ;)
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:-green
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No matter of this, this is really nice kit to work, I hope I will have them more in future
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Oh yes, it's a nice kit! I have the second kit of the box to build; and I will use it as a trial platform for some HEAVY weathering techniques...
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...Something like this one:
(http://www.belgian-wings.be/Webpages/Navigator/Photos/MilltaryPics/interbellum/Fokker%20DVII/fokker_dvii_f06_de_rijck.jpg)
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Wonderful subject mate :-clap
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I've weathered the engine with Citadel ink (Chestnut and Black); glued the seatbelts and the seat, then the fuselage is closed - at last...
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:-ok
Awaiting further updates on this great project......
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Just relax and enjoy ;)
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I'm glad to see that this topic is still alive. ;)
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I'm glad to see that this topic is still alive. ;)
It's just because I'm very late...
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Very tired after an infernal work day... So I made little work only: sanding, and creation of the gabarits for the lozenges decals of the fuselage.
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Green? What green you use?
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Gunze H302 will be used as green...
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Look so good! I know some preserved samples and this is good match ;)
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Ready for primer!
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And famous sponge inside :-ok
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Sponge is like flexifile: once used, you cannot work without it... :)
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Ha ha :) I never ask you, what do you use to apply primer, from spray bottle or airbrush?
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I apply as primer an acrylic white (usually Tamiya or Gunze) with my airbrush. Don't like too much spray bottles: some years ago I used Citadel white primer in spray, but that was a stinking color (my wife disputed me each time due to the odor left in the house...) and sometimes I had "blotches" in the paint.
That said, it's possible for my second Fokker that I will use grey color as primer; I'm documenting for a heavy weathering...
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Thank you for reply. What airbrush you use for White primer, I also have bottle but never open it. And what to use for thinner, I mean optional thinner. By the way- you have airbrush just for primers or not?
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but that was a stinking color (my wife disputed me each time due to the odor left in the house...)
Now THAT I understand!!!!!! I have a Dupont Variprime primer that I have used and it STINKS :-danger :-danger. Ellen threatens to throw me out to the dogs :-bat every time I even think about using that stuff, and I paint in the garage!
I must again say thanks for the sponge idea--I've used it on the last few builds and it is a great thing. :-flo
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Thank you for reply. What airbrush you use for White primer, I also have bottle but never open it. And what to use for thinner, I mean optional thinner. By the way- you have airbrush just for primers or not?
Sorry to answer so lately mate... :(
I use a Badger 150. Not only for primer but also for all my painting works. I have a new airbrush (Evolution) but have not really tested it actually... When I will use the Evolution, of course the Badger will be used for primer only...
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but that was a stinking color (my wife disputed me each time due to the odor left in the house...)
Now THAT I understand!!!!!! I have a Dupont Variprime primer that I have used and it STINKS :-danger :-danger. Ellen threatens to throw me out to the dogs :-bat every time I even think about using that stuff, and I paint in the garage!
I must again say thanks for the sponge idea--I've used it on the last few builds and it is a great thing. :-flo
Yes, some products are really stinking...
For the sponge, see the Hellcat: a new use... ;)
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Good, I also want to get any old airbrush and use it for primer work only (for varnish also)
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White primer applied, and the parts that will be covered with decals are masked.
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Good, I also want to get any old airbrush and use it for primer work only (for varnish also)
May I suggest possibly a Badger 350? I use one for all my priming and heavy spraying. The best part is that you can simply toss the tip assembly in some thinner and let it there to clean itself between priming sessions. The paint/primer never makes it into the body of the gun so it never needs maintenance. I've used the same gun and tip for decades and it is totally faithful. They are relatively inexpensive as an added bonus!
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I agree about this, I just watch yesterday night all options to get this airbrush Long time ago I have this airbrush and know its performance. It is excellent for this job but also one other things is included is the quick release connector, Iwata is on list as well I will have no need to get other but will see. My Aztec jammed and I would more prefer to repair it (it is not suitable for long time use with nitro thinner)
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My Fokker was awaiting that other workbenches need also aluminium paint...
It's used as a second primer.
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:-ok :-clap
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Nice. :-ok
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Thank you!
Same goal as for the Hellcat: simulating the natural metal; I will use maskol applied with sponge and then paint the green paint. Removing the maskol will give nice (hope so...) weathering.
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As previously annouced:
...Maskol (Neo) applied with a sponge, on th efuselage but also on the struts...
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Lets see progress mate, this look so interesting :)
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Ready for painting now...
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...Painted.
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And soon will be shown in its patched look ;)
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Yes: tomorrow.
Not today because glossy paint asks for more time to be perfectly dry...
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;)
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Here is the result when maskol is removed...
I've also placed the decal of the lower lozenges.
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What a brilliant result :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
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Thank you!
I must say I'm totally happy... ;)
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Excellent effect, very realistic and looks great!
Ernie
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Thank you Ernie!
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Yes! Result is great!! :-clap :-clap
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Insomnia last night... :-/
I've occupied my time with a silencious work: decals...
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Excellent!! :-clap :-clap
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:-ok
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Thank you mates!
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Excellent! I like the effect of the German cross under the roundels, did the decals come like that, or did you have to do it in layers, apply a cross decal and then the roundel over it? It does look very convincing though, top work on all that lozenge decaling!
Ernie
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Ernie,
I've applied the German crosses and then the Belgian roundels over it. The Belgian cockades comes from an old Americal Gryphon decal sheet.
But for my second fokker (to be build yet), I will use masks to make my own roundels...
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Ernie,
I've applied the German crosses and then the Belgian roundels over it. The Belgian cockades comes from an old Americal Gryphon decal sheet.
But for my second fokker (to be build yet), I will use masks to make my own roundels...
Ah, looks very good!
Ernie
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Details painting: tyres, wheels, propeller bosse, and the maskol removed from the struts
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Huge work on small parts...
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Well, those little touches of paints for the Fokker and the Hellcat took me the evening...
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Biiiig work on tiny things!! :-eek :-clap :-clap
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Beautiful work, my friend, especially on decals - love that lozenge!
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Thank you! ;)
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Excellent! :-ok
I must say y'all are making it harder and harder for me NOT to start building WWI machines..... :-flo
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Thank you Scott!
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The last touch of paints I've forgotten before preparing the aircraft to be airbrushed with clear varnish...
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It look like it will be one of your best WW1 kit in that scale you have?
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Well... I hope so ;)
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:-ok
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Pébéo clear varnish applied
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Great :-clap :-ok Tomorrow is my day for Pebeo but on Tempest :))
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Great :-clap :-ok Tomorrow is my day for Pebeo but on Tempest :))
Pébéo is a pleasure to use...
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"Pébéo day" on your side! :)) Few projects from your workbench is close to finish line. ;) It is good news for some kits in your stash. :-flo
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Oil wash made
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This turn into beauty :)
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Yes, it will be the nicest Fokker I've actually built...
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Pébéo matt varnish applied, sponge and masks removed...
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Little miracle my friend :-clap
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Thank you!
Just a bothering thing, but I was prepared to that: Blue Rider decals always provokes a little silvering, even between two varnish sprays... See the thistle and the serial number. Not too visible, but annoying...
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Good job! ;) :-ok
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Thank you Sall!
I have begun the weathering with pastels and ink.
I used Tamiya pastels for the locations where the pilot and mechanics manipulate the aircraft. Not really visible on the photos, but well on the kit ;)
The ink: Citadel Colors Brown Ink. Used for the "pissing oil"... Some photos show that the Fokker D.VII was a big oil consumer, and that oil pissed on the fuselage. I applied drops of ink, than I used Q-tip to expend the oil... I like the final result, that gives life to that aircraft.
Weathering to be continued...
I have also placed the exhaust pipe and the machineguns.
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And a lot of others tiny works left to be done :(
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Yes mate, but I have time for that. I'm not so far from completion, but other workbenches will have priority and will start this week: the tiny MiG-21 and the not-so-tiny MiG-29 ;)
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Great effects on this plane! :-clap :-clap
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Thank you mate!
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Weathering is finished I think... I've used black aequous pencil, and MiG pigments (dark mud)
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Very good! Nice attention to detail adding the mud splatters from the wheels to the lower wing :-ok
Ernie
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Yes, beautiful work and I can't wait to see it all come together!
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Nice Daniel! :-clap
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Thank you mates!
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Very little, but needed work today... The "Belgian" yellow of the tail
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Phase two: masking tape; then red (Gunze H13)
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And soon come last flag color :))
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And soon come last flag color :))
Sure... Next year! ;)
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One year later... :-green
I finished to paint the rudder.
But when remonving the masks, a strange problem appeared: two marks on the red... I will correct that with a very light sanding and then paintbrush.
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Time is indeed need to make great build ;)
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;)
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Good!
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well, one step behind: I was really not happy with the problem in the red paint. The thiskness of the paint was different on same places. Not visible on the photo, but too much visible in reality.
So here is the result...
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All again :(
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Well, it is modeling! :-clap
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Well, it is modeling! :-clap
Sure... ;)
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Back again with the rudder...
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:(
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First my "Belgian yellow" (symply yellow with a drop of red)
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Hope that now all will be perfect!
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Hope that now all will be perfect!
Yes mate, I hope so too... ;)
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As I had problem after having masked red color, this time I've airbrushed black before red :-green
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Do you want some company here?
here is my project 3 fokkers :)
two Dragon kits and one Eduard and.......god help me.. :)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos370.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/batboat469-1.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/batboat734.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/batboat478.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/batboat937.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/batboat940.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/batboat932.jpg)
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(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/batboat941.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/batboat941.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/batboat1050.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos375.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos374.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos061a.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos063a.jpg)
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(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos064a.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos065a.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos094.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos098.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos103.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos100.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos104.jpg)
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Nice work mate :-ok For what you have used epoxy?
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Thank you mate , epoxy putty is for the seat cansion (i dont know if wrote it corectly) :-/
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I guess so but I better ask :)
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You welcome here, Dimitris; and incredible work! :-ok
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Yes Dimitris, your work is very interesting and splendid! :-clap
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Welcome to the GB!
Wonderful to watch this thread, I must say.
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Red is airbrushed, this time giving me satisfaction!
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Yeaaaahhhh :-clap
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:-ok
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You are great master. There is no give up,until you are not complete satisfied! :-clap :-clap
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Yes Daniel thats perfect!!
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Thank you mates!
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And here is it... :-love
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Finally :))
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:-tri
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Οk now but how the hell i am going to put them in there? :-think :-wall :-roll
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08437.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08434.jpg)
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I am sure you will make it :-ok
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Thank you mate! :)
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Great detailes! :-clap
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Thank you Sall!!
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Hardly wait to see how you will assembly all this. ;)
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Splendid, Dimitris!!!
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Pébéo clear varnish...
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Pebeo :-love
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Looks realy nice!! ;)
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(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos091.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos116.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos119.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos118.jpg)
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Incredible work, mate... :-ok
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Thanks Daniel. :-salut
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:-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap And seat? :-think
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On my side, decals applied on the rudder
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Just beauty mate!!
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I agree! Nice progress,go ahead! :-clap
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Thank you ;)
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A small update
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos129.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos138.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos139.jpg)
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Stunning!!!
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Good job. :-clap Here is answer where is seat! :))
One more thing. You made good photos. ;) What you use to make them? What camera,options,light,etc. It is important thing in our hobby,to make good images. Maybe we can open some topic where we explain how we take images. ;)
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Thanks Sall, the camera i use is a simple SONY cybershot, DSC-W100 8.1 megapixels, although it has manual setings (that was the reason i had bought it 7 years ago and the macro ability) i just take picture in auto mode for faster reasons, (you know quick shot ,instand upload in photo bucket and then fast to the forum for my friends). :) :-salut ;)
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Images are great, no matter camera is a bit older.
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I agree. Photos are great! :-clap
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(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08555.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08557.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08558.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08560.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08561.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08562.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08567.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08569.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08578.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08588.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08590.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos085.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos091-2.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos094a.jpg)
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:-obey :-obey :-obey Miracle work!!! Where did you get this punch tool?
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Kalimera Dimitris,
You absolutely and completely mad. Not dangerous, but mad... ;)
Great work mate. Splendid. Stunning. Amazing. I think I will drop WWI aircrafts now...
(No, just joking...)
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Great,great,great!!! :-clap :-clap :-clap What a tine parts,what precision,what a work!! :-clap :-obey
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Oil wash...
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Oil wash day for you mate! :)) Glad to see you again in this topic. ;)
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Always working with "something-to-do-for-a-maximum-of-kits day" :))
Best way to progress when you have too many workbenches awaiting...
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You are right. ;)