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Title: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: samuraj77 on April 28, 2011, 05:14:36 PM
Hope you lads won't mind, but my fingers are kind itchy for the start of this GB.
Anyway here are No1 and mine entries.
Eduard Fokker DVII.
In my case I will build Dagelow's machine.
Two days 'til start....
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on April 28, 2011, 05:16:43 PM
It would be my pleasure to share this build with you :-ok This is great kit at all!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on April 28, 2011, 05:18:18 PM
Just posted my cellar-findings in the GB post... :)
I'm also itchy for this, but first I want to clean the table (to prepare for Zrenjanin competition, 07.05.) - therefore you might expect my official start on May 9th...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on April 28, 2011, 05:52:36 PM
I'm happy to see you in work samuraj! :-flo
Yeaaaaaa...New group build,and a lot of great models will come in the end. :-jump
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on April 29, 2011, 06:16:31 PM
I'll be watching and enjoying this one from the sidelines--no kit. However, I am going to a hobby store soon.......... ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on April 30, 2011, 12:07:36 PM
I was thinking that GB will start later in the year... No problem anyway, I will jump into soon!

Same boxkit as you, Samuraj, but with a Belgian deco.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on April 30, 2011, 05:11:57 PM
What I will use in supplement of Eduard's kit is the following: decals provided with Blue Rider little book about Foreign D.VII. When the book was on sale you have to choose between the 1/72 or the 1/48 decal sheet, that is represented on the 2nd photo. I will build the "thistle" (2nd aircraft on the third photo). For the losenges, I will use Microsculpt ones and for the ribs, the Eagle Strike ones or simply the Eduard ones...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on April 30, 2011, 05:30:15 PM
Foreigner schemes? Do you know that last was operated in 1940?
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on April 30, 2011, 05:36:01 PM
Yes, the book is really interresting. I did not know that the last one was used until 1940, but in Belgium there were still used in the first half of the '30s...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on May 01, 2011, 05:37:06 PM
This is an enlightening subject, I must say. I spent some time learning about the whole concept of the lozenge camouflage material. I've always admired the patterns but never looked into the actual process of making the fabric in 1/1 scale. Fascinating stuff!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: samuraj77 on May 03, 2011, 01:58:54 PM
A small update...
 :-wave
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on May 03, 2011, 02:45:42 PM
You and Draken35 have nice approach in separating parts and prepare them all in almost complete form and then join together. Dark color on wings?
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 03, 2011, 02:50:26 PM
Black on wings? OK, if that's just a primer for lozenge ;) :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on May 03, 2011, 02:56:27 PM
:))
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on May 03, 2011, 03:08:09 PM
 :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: samuraj77 on May 03, 2011, 03:47:04 PM
Black on wings is painted as primer, wings are now coated with Klear in order to prepare them for Lozenge application...
I have never tried to apply Klear directly on plastic, that's the reason why I painted Black.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 03, 2011, 05:03:48 PM
I applied gloss coat directly onto the plastic here: http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/forum/makete-aviona-aircraft-modeling/albatros-dr-i-elf-model-172/msg11471/#msg11471, although it was Gunze Mr. Super Clear, and not the Klear you're using :-think yep, I know this is totally different formulation...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: samuraj77 on May 03, 2011, 05:08:53 PM
So did I... Here
http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/2009/05/03/fokker-dvii-limited-edition-%E2%80%9Csieben-schwaben%E2%80%9D-eduard-1139/
But it was not Klear, but some Cosmos aerosol gloss coat... :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: samuraj77 on May 03, 2011, 06:01:25 PM
Excellent photos can be found on this page...
http://www.williammaloney.com/Aviation/BromeCountyMuseum/index.htm

sample

Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 03, 2011, 11:50:09 PM
OK, here we go... My first entry is Roden model of Hauptmann Rudolf Berthold's early Fokker-built D.VII in 1/72 scale.
This kit generally received negative critics in reviews, all of them concerning bad fit of parts, lots of filling required etc... At first I was a little bit scared :-dal, but we'll see...
Opening the box I was amazed by level of surface detail moulded in this scale, as well as good rendition of tiny parts.
On the other hand, what I find negative is looots of flash on parts and also some of them look too fragile to handle...
Also there are some mould errors, like visible bulge on the lower wing. At least there are no pin marks on visible surface...
Instructions are of typical Roden style, clear and easy to follow, the only thing missing is paint instruction for most of smaller parts and interior.
By far the worst part of the kit are decals - all of them seem fragile and I think they'd go apart as soon as they feel the water nearby. Lozenge are story for itself - colours are absolutely missed, badly printed, out of register... You name it, they have it... :-wall
The model I'm going to build is shown on the back of the box, in colour.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on May 03, 2011, 11:54:12 PM
A lot of work mate there...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 04, 2011, 12:06:05 AM
My other entry is of the same producer and scale, this time Leutnant Karl Degelow's early Albatros-built plane.
What goes for Berthold's goes also for this one, both good and the bad :-roll
The only better (but not much better) issue are decals - this time overall quality of print and carrying film are much better. Alas, colours are still far out of range :-evil Interestingly enough, on the box they're almost spot-on :-think
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: samuraj77 on May 04, 2011, 12:41:31 AM
Is there any difference between those kits?

Comparing the fuselage from your photos of Dagelow's bird to Eduard Fuselage, they are very different

Roden
http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/forum/makete-aviona-aircraft-modeling/fokker-d-vii-group-build/?action=dlattach;attach=36569;image

Eduard
http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/forum/makete-aviona-aircraft-modeling/fokker-d-vii-group-build/?action=dlattach;attach=36259;image

Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 04, 2011, 07:24:47 AM
What will you do for the decals, Profa? Use those silly things, use decals from decal makers, use paint, or...?

If that can help you, it was possible on the Drome to download good decals that you just have to print yourself. If you haven't it, send me a PM with your mail adress and I will send those losenges to you.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on May 04, 2011, 07:26:40 AM
Nice Profa! :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 04, 2011, 10:54:58 AM
Huh, you Samuraj have put me through hard time yesterday evening :-dal it was not enough I've spent greater part of the afternoon looking for appropriate blue shade for Bertholds machine, I had to deal with these cowling differences as well...
I :-paper through all my references, checked what Dan-San, van Wyngarden and Lawson said on this and other features of Degelows plane, and  compiled nice list that I'm going to post later, when I finish my everydays' work...
Also some modelling had been done, but more on that also later.
@Daniel: more I'm looking the model, more I tend to use Techmods decals. To top the things, it seems it had 5-, and not 4-colour lozenge Roden has provided :-wall Please send me just the link from the drome and I'll download it... :-flo
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 04, 2011, 01:29:30 PM
Here is the link. It's a long post...

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/models/37519-lozenge-decal-test-all.html
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 04, 2011, 02:21:31 PM
Don't see images  :-wall :-wall - as Dan San had put it in his post, best samples are http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/475709-post719.html, but I can't see images :-kr :-kr :-kr
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 04, 2011, 02:25:22 PM
As I've downloaded all those lozenges, I can anyway send the stuff to you... PM me...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 04, 2011, 06:36:13 PM
Yesterday after Samuraj's question I've searched through all the references I could find, and spent time until vee-hours to find the most probable  answer/solution...
So, off to Fokker D.VII differences we go...

To study this, I think Windsock datafile specials Fokker D.VII Anthology are sine qua non - there you could find everything, or almost everything :-think one of the issues missing is just the photo of Degelows plane taken from appropriate angle and no people surrounding it :-/
Missing that, I stuck to what Dan-San and Stephen Lawson said, as well as data available. As one of them stated, all-in-all there were 26 different versions of Fokker D.VII from all 3 producers (MAG not accounted in).
The particular machine was probably from 525/18 - 874/18 batch, early Albatros production. Therefore the early style of cowling louvres should be applied.
In general, Albatros started their licence production of Fokkers by simply copying original aircraft received from mother factory - no plans delivered whatsoever... Therefore I tend to think that also louvres were copied, and modified only in later stage of production...
Anthology Vol.3 deals with Albatros-produced machines, and there some interesting pictures might be seen.
On page 59 is also shown variety of cowling details of Alb. machines, with later modifications and all...

Now, to two published profiles:
first one is Pearsons, and is based on Cross & Cockade 22/1: http://www.cbrnp.com/profiles/quarter1/fokker_d7/fokker-dvii-degelow.jpg - this version could also be seen in Osprey book Aircraft of the Aces n°63 (page 50), rendered by Dempsey, and at the back cover of Grub Street edition of Black Fokker Leader.
Another version, which shows louvres as Roden provided them, is seen in mentioned Windsock Fokker Anthology Vol.2, on the page 44 - this one is drawn by Ray Rimell.
Interesting fact is that on the same page is another profile of Jasta 40 machine, Auers one, with louvres as Eduard gave it.

Huh... this profile correspondss to another part of the story - somewhere after mid-August Jasta 40 changed markings so that horisontal tail surfaces weren't clearly white anymore, but with narrow dark blue stripes. Since the picture of Degelow in front of his machine is taken 08.11.1918, after he received Hoenzolern Orden, his markings should be the same :-roll Auers machine is pretty well documented, since it was captured by the British on 28.10.
That way maybe at the same time Degelow also had another, newer machine. He was Jastafuhrer, and naturally should have had it... BTW, plane on mentioned picture has OAW-built wings... aaagh!!!

To conclude: be as it is, I'm going to build it as an early sample, with all-white tail and no modification to louvres, to supposedly picture it as it was before mid-August...

Suggestion for further reading (apart from mentioned books):
http://theaerodrome.com/forum/models/3909-degelow-d-vii.html
http://theaerodrome.com/forum/models/4122-carl-degelows-fokker-d-vii-white-stag.html
Here are some nice advices to details in modelling D.VII, although for 1/48 Roden model: http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/models/3541-rodens-1-48-fokker-d-vii-build.html.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 04, 2011, 08:41:34 PM
Congratulations for your researches, Profa...
Problem with WWI aircrafts is that there are few certitudes and numerous questions...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 08, 2011, 02:40:50 PM
Another problem I faced was real colour of lozenge-printed textile and my resources of available decals for it :-think
On attached pictures you can see Rodens', Techmods' and PrintScale's decals, and at the right end, as a reference, is attached texture made by Doug Bauman from www.theaerodrome.com, after extensive researches...
It is obvious that:
- 4 colour top: neither comes close to the original :-wall
- 4-colour bottom: only sample marked as "Roden 1" comes any near, although colours are much more saturated :-/
- 5 colour top and bottom: unfortunatelly no Bauman's sample for bottom - here in top Techmod's sample surpases Roden's (all in green/brown hue???) and closes to Bauman's sample, although colours are again much more saturated...

That "Roden 2" 4-col sample was, by the way, given for Degelow's machine which should be in 5-col cammo :-dal
Since both machines have 5-col lozenge, I tend to use Techmods' decals for Degelow's and Roden's for Berthold's plane... Roden's top 5-col sample could as well find its way to the trash, I don't mind...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on May 08, 2011, 04:03:53 PM
I must commend you on the hard work and research y'all put into finding the proper patterns and colors of these camouflage schemes. A friend of mine asked me once why I was custom mixing some paint for a stock car model I was building for a museum display. I told him that modelers should try to capture the true color for historical accuracy. It's great to see you doing that here on these important machines!

This thread is a great resource for those of us who haven't delved into the WWI flying machines. :-flo
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 08, 2011, 04:55:44 PM
Discussions about lozenges is a never ending story... My comment is just: take the ones you prefer, but beware that Techmod are very fragile decals - I don't like them...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 08, 2011, 09:19:22 PM
Lacking PE set for this airplane, or, to better put it, I have one set for 4 models, I decided to copy at least some parts of it.
Here is process of copying the seat (pics 1-3): PE set is attached with tape to aluminium cover of Nescafe can. It was outlined using sewing needle and cut with sharp #11. Best way is to cut it on a  hard pad, like glass of plexi. Further it is handled like usual PE would be.
Next thing was to set lozenge on the interior surface of the cockpit (other pics) - for that I used 4-col Roden's decal, since Albatros built Fokker fuselages were covered in this, while wings were, as mentioned before, 5-colour. Decals are fragile, out of register and generally speaking bad, but once set in place (using enormous amount of solvent solution) and overpainted, look quite OK.
To simulate back-side of the cloth, I shaded it it light gray. The same goes for the cockpit back wall, which was also used as seat support, and was also made from Nescafe alu. To apply lozenge, I've transferred it first onto masking tape, which was later fixed to the plate.

Tomorrow I'll deal with engines and other interior parts...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 09, 2011, 07:13:54 AM
Excellent tip on how you duplicate PE...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 12, 2011, 10:49:18 AM
Next in line was assembly of engines - care should be taken when separating parts from the sprue... extreme care!! :-dal Only brend new knife would do a job without breaking fragile parts (as seen on the pic 1).
Later most of the details were painted, and now almost everything is prepared to assembly cockpits and fuselages.
One instrument panel was modified to depict Alb. built one, since it differed from original Fokkers.
For dials I have used leftovers from Eduard's Spad decals - there's plenty in reserve to build some more panels :-jump These were later coated with Klear to get glassy look.
I've simulated wood using Vallejo 70955 Flat Flesh as a base and 70939 Smoke as overcoat - this combination gives nice impression of used surface.
For braces I used thin steel wire, and metal parts of interior were painted Hu86 Light Olive for Fokker built and Hu92 Grey-green for Albatros built aircraft...
Now I have to weather and enhance details on interiors and engines using oil wash, and off to assembly we go...

Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 12, 2011, 10:54:46 AM
Nice work, Profa, and well detailed!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on May 12, 2011, 11:14:26 AM
Looks very nice mate! ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on May 12, 2011, 11:38:52 AM
So tiny!!!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 12, 2011, 08:27:15 PM
I've begun the Spandaus from Karaya...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on May 12, 2011, 11:55:31 PM
What a details!!!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: javier_planells on May 13, 2011, 01:03:55 AM
Great work Draken35 and Profa!

Talking about Roden decals, I used the one for the instrument panel in the argentine navy Se.5a I built (just finished gluing the wheels, propeller and windshield a few moments ago :-tri)

Hope to see more of it soon. I'd like to join the group build with a MAG built D.VII. I still do not have figured out what schemes is it going to be painted in, but I really like the rumanian one, since it saves me from using the lozenge and breaks a little the usual schemes.

This is the one I got. And yes I bought the double combo, a friend of mine was to build the hungarian one, but he chickened out:

(http://www.hyperscale.com/images/eduard1147reviewrb_1.jpg)

(http://www.hyperscale.com/2010/reviews/kits/p7hg_img_51/fullsize/4_fs.jpg)

(http://www.hyperscale.com/2010/reviews/kits/p7hg_img_51/fullsize/6_fs.jpg)

(http://www.hyperscale.com/2010/reviews/kits/p7hg_img_51/fullsize/7_fs.jpg)

(http://www.hyperscale.com/2010/reviews/kits/p7hg_img_51/fullsize/8_fs.jpg)

(http://www.hyperscale.com/2010/reviews/kits/p7hg_img_51/fullsize/scheme_a_fs.jpg)

(http://www.hyperscale.com/2010/reviews/kits/p7hg_img_51/fullsize/scheme_j_fs.jpg)

(http://www.hyperscale.com/2010/reviews/kits/p7hg_img_51/fullsize/scheme_b_fs.jpg)

Now that I think of it, may be I'll go with the CDL hungarian scheme. It combines the best of both worlds :))

Feels so weird going back to 48th scale, after so many years builing kits in 72nd, but I think I couldn't do it with a better kit than this one. Fits the kind of planes I like to build, it's very complete and saves me the pain of rigging a biplane.

Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 13, 2011, 07:02:22 AM
Nice choice, Javier!

The Rumanian deco is simply splendid...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 13, 2011, 08:59:55 AM
khm :-think... I would definitely go with hungarian lozenge/red star combination, but that's up to you ;)
The only thing important is that you have a good model to build, and that you already enjoy looking forward to building it :-ok
Please jump in, as far as I know, May is far from over...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 13, 2011, 10:06:57 AM
I've finished the Karaya Spandaus, and replaced the propeller bosse with PE from PART...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on May 13, 2011, 12:04:09 PM
I will lost my self with all of this small part :(
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on May 13, 2011, 12:34:03 PM
Crazy!! :-crazy
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 13, 2011, 03:54:20 PM
Yes, there are lot of tiny parts... And I'm so nervious... ;-)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 13, 2011, 04:09:54 PM
Should I go with Eduard Spandaus to enhance one of these, I wonder? :-think Now when I look at yours, Daniel, my fingers are kinda itchy :-jump
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 13, 2011, 05:07:53 PM
Karaya Spandaus are a little bit longer than Eduard ones. Eduard ones with PE are excellent too; the advantage of Karaya is that the grid is pre-rolled...

Anyway, primer was airbrushed today...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 14, 2011, 02:15:33 AM
Well, instead of installing cockpits and closing fuselages, this evening I've made myself two Spandaus ;) Happy winner of this set is not decided yet - I'll use it on the overall better looking plane.
At first there was a PE set (and I have two more in reserve :-jump) and third picture shows the progress.
For really small parts I made Pick'n'Place device of toothpick and blob of Blu-tack, and after few trial-by-errors got stretched sprue of the right diameter to serve as a template for rolling the grid. This sprue is put into the reserve bag, since by mistake I threw away one I made long time ago.
The barrel is also made from stretched sprue, while for muzzle I'm going to use a syringe needle.
After some two hours the result is evident, although there some parts that are going to be attached at the end, when I install the guns.
Tomorrow it's the fuselage assembling time :-wave
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on May 14, 2011, 06:19:37 AM
 :-eek :-cool :-love :-clap :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on May 14, 2011, 06:57:26 AM
I'm wondering how the life look like before photo etched parts?
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 14, 2011, 07:40:28 AM
Excellent work, Profa! I see that we're using the same tool (toothpick + Blu Tack)...

Srecko, your question is a fundamental, existential one... ;-)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 14, 2011, 09:23:42 AM
I'm wondering how the life look like before photo etched parts?
errr... like this? ;) To be honest, Roden did much better job comparing to Eduard, not to mention Airfix :-dal

Excellent work, Profa! I see that we're using the same tool (toothpick + Blu Tack)...
Heh, another proof that great minds work in unison :))
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on May 14, 2011, 10:46:12 AM
What difference! :-eek
You have done great job!So tiny parts,but very successful job! :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 14, 2011, 04:12:50 PM
Today I have mounted cockpit floor, just to find that it 1mm is missing to get to fuselage walls :-/
Sheet styrene came to the rescue (pics 1-2), and 15 minutes later everything was set (pics 3-4). There's luckily no much difference between old and new "wooden planks" :)
After cockpits I've installed engines with exhausts and firewalls, corrected paint where needed, and these are last pictures before closing fuselages...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 14, 2011, 06:17:39 PM
Excellent work!!!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on May 14, 2011, 06:30:37 PM
It is so nice.I love busy cockpit! :-clap :-clap :-clap
Now,we wait for instrument panel... :-flo
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 14, 2011, 06:44:29 PM
Now,we wait for instrument panel...
Already done: http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/forum/makete-aviona-aircraft-modeling/fokker-d-vii-group-build/msg22162/#msg22162 ;)
Fuselages are glued and waiting to dry, afterwards goes mount of upper deck and radiator, and then to see what to do with the wings... :-think
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on May 14, 2011, 06:47:29 PM
Fantastic work!!!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on May 14, 2011, 07:13:34 PM
@Profa
I thought it had not yet mounted in the cockpit. ;)
When will you set up it in cockpit? :-think
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 15, 2011, 12:47:34 AM
So, coming back from No.1's coffee and putting kids to bed, I faced the both fuselages dry and ready for sanding and, on the other hand, both radiators in bad need of trimming and thinning to get appropriately into place :-/
First the Berthold's plane: 1st pic shows everything prepared for work, and 2nd shows the meaning I used to fix the radiator to the fuselage. At that time I checked the fuselage-to-wings joint, and 3rd pic shows the obvious - wing has to be cut in half, and then the resulting hole shall require filling... :-wall
Rest of the pics shows that after the first round of sanding everything looks nice, although putty shall be required... Radiator now looks OK, that part is finished... :-obey
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 15, 2011, 12:55:32 AM
In parallel I was working on Degelow's plane, so sequence of pictures is pretty much the same, as well as results of my work... No need for explanation here, read previous post ;)
Luckily, plastic is soft and very easy to work with, requires just light wet sanding with 800grit paper...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on May 15, 2011, 06:15:58 AM
Knowing your work rhythm, this going fast ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 15, 2011, 08:15:24 AM
Excellent progression indeed! Hope that the fitting problems will not ask too work...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on May 15, 2011, 03:17:39 PM
Beautiful work. The engine.....  :-love (can you tell I'm a powerplant mechanic?)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on May 15, 2011, 08:37:53 PM
Good job Profa! :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 16, 2011, 03:22:16 PM
Tamiya XF-59 as wood base...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on May 16, 2011, 06:32:28 PM
 :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 17, 2011, 03:07:12 PM
Wood finished (for the method, see my topic on the Dr.I) except for the propeller...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 17, 2011, 03:38:46 PM
For the propeller, depends on the make - some were left laminated, while other received uniform coat of dark brown...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 17, 2011, 04:10:19 PM
Some filling with Mr. Surfacer 500 (thinned with nitro solvent) and sanding later, almost everything is smooth...
To check the smoothness of the surface I used MM aluminium metalizer which dried into dust - gives pretty nice reflection and is not as adhesive as paint...
I also noticed that MG posts have to be filed so the guns won't stand too high above fuselage. This is Berthold's plane
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 17, 2011, 04:11:33 PM
...and Degelow's:
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on May 17, 2011, 05:23:23 PM
Excellent progress and very soon I will join to you friends ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on May 17, 2011, 06:20:44 PM
Very nice! ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 17, 2011, 07:03:31 PM
Nice progress!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 17, 2011, 10:57:04 PM
Continuing today - to renew frames that would be seen under the canvas and expanding it over the fuselage, I've used Tamiya tape and thinned Mr. Surfacer. After it dried, I lightly sanded it to soften edges.
I didn't do it on Bertholds plane because fuselage halves didn't match as should, so for me the best thing was just to lightly sand joint seam and hope that it shall be OK when painted and weathered...
Next thing was to apply Parts etched stitching on both, and fuselages are now ready for painting... :-jump

Back to the issue with lower wings - I've cut one wing in two to check the gap (seen on the 3rd pic :-wall). Right now I'm thinking how to fill it :-dal... Only now I've cut the other lower wing from the sprue, and you can see how badly Roden molded it... Luckily, nothing that sanding couldn't correct...

Tomorrow I expect to gloss coat all the wings and start working on lozenge...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: samuraj77 on May 18, 2011, 12:43:59 AM
Don't think much, glue a piece of styrene from the other side and fill the gap with epoxy repair. After it dries, sand it and put some putty as usually  :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 18, 2011, 07:08:51 AM
+1 with Samuraj
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 19, 2011, 12:56:46 PM
Just painted the coussin, in Vallejo Marron Brown
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 19, 2011, 07:28:03 PM
The seat is painted
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on May 19, 2011, 07:42:23 PM
Well,today is your "detail painting day"! :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on May 24, 2011, 11:52:14 AM
Here I am- basic yellow interior...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on May 24, 2011, 12:07:27 PM
 :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: samuraj77 on May 24, 2011, 02:26:14 PM
 :-wave
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on May 24, 2011, 02:29:12 PM
Ohohoho... :-jump :-jump
Great job Samuraj! :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 24, 2011, 02:41:39 PM
Yellow? :-dal
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on May 24, 2011, 03:28:31 PM
Yellow? :-dal

Base coat...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on May 24, 2011, 03:55:31 PM
Excellent work, y'all!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 24, 2011, 05:33:30 PM
Well, things are evolving here...

Nice wood, Samuraj!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 24, 2011, 09:09:12 PM
A little bit of Vallejo Oily Steel (I prefer that to aluminium or silver...)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on May 24, 2011, 09:14:57 PM
What a great look!!!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 24, 2011, 09:22:25 PM
I really like that paint. It gives a nice "old metal" rendering.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on May 24, 2011, 11:27:54 PM
I definitely share Srecko's opinion.It look like real thing! :-clap :-clap
One question for you.Where you found all these corks for bottles? :-think At least i think that it is corks the bottle.
 ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: samuraj77 on May 24, 2011, 11:41:32 PM
Thanks mate, that color of yours (Valejo) really looks good on plastic  :-ok
Are you planing to open the engine compartment?
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 24, 2011, 11:43:32 PM
Nice shade - Vallejo really has good choice of metallic paints :-ok
@Sall: I have at least 6-10 corks from "Aqua Viva" water, it's the best for mixing acrylic paints, pigments and even oil wash
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 25, 2011, 06:22:13 PM
I definitely share Srecko's opinion.It look like real thing! :-clap :-clap
One question for you.Where you found all these corks for bottles? :-think At least i think that it is corks the bottle.
 ;)

Corks of bottles of water. Have a big family...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 25, 2011, 06:23:19 PM
Thanks mate, that color of yours (Valejo) really looks good on plastic  :-ok
Are you planing to open the engine compartment?

No, I will not open the engine compartment. If I would to do that, I should have to add many, many elements to the engine to detail it...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on May 28, 2011, 12:03:48 PM
Today I feel much better and I spent 2.5 hours in work on Fokker D.VII. So I have spray all of the small parts in base grey green color, assembled wings and place all of the lozenge decals. Work on lozenge is real pleasure  :-love
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 28, 2011, 12:06:35 PM
Nice work, mate!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on May 28, 2011, 02:48:07 PM
Thank you mate ;) More work on painting of small details.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 28, 2011, 03:17:13 PM
OK... I see now which decoration you have chosen... ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on May 28, 2011, 04:44:05 PM
Decals work is excellent! :-clap :-clap ,and,as i see,your wood painting of small parts is also great! :-clap ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 28, 2011, 05:01:03 PM
Sure looks good, glad you're better now :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 28, 2011, 07:24:30 PM
OK... I see now which decoration you have chosen... ;)

I want say: ...you have NOT choosen...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 28, 2011, 07:41:58 PM
For myself, a few airbrushing seance...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on May 28, 2011, 07:46:08 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on May 29, 2011, 07:19:58 PM
Work on fuselage interior as well assembly of the half's completed  ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on May 29, 2011, 07:58:16 PM
Bravo! :-clap :-clap :-clap
Nice progress! ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on May 29, 2011, 08:36:44 PM
Thank you- maybe painting tomorrow :))
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 29, 2011, 09:07:38 PM
Fast and excellent...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 29, 2011, 09:35:21 PM
Gloss varnish...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on May 29, 2011, 09:52:16 PM
:-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 29, 2011, 09:57:11 PM
Yes, thanks, but I'm sooo sloooowwww.....
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on May 30, 2011, 02:10:32 PM
More progress on my side :))
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 30, 2011, 04:53:20 PM
Fine work...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on May 30, 2011, 04:54:10 PM
 :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 30, 2011, 05:42:31 PM
I'm also busy with the decals.

I will use the Microsculpt ones, but Eduards ones are useful to use as model. Except of course for the parts that there were no decal furnished by Eduard...

On the left, the Microsculpt.

The work will be long... But it's a funny stage!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on May 30, 2011, 05:52:20 PM
It sure looks good, no matter which decals you're going to use :-ok
Regarding my progress... it's obvious, it's just that I didn't take pictures of each painting step and was busy finishing Huey. More from me later in the day :-wave
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on May 30, 2011, 07:42:05 PM
White spray on tail...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on May 30, 2011, 07:43:09 PM
Good!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on May 30, 2011, 07:49:10 PM
 :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 01, 2011, 09:14:58 AM
Struts placed and it is ready now to take a coat of black color
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 01, 2011, 02:12:20 PM
So you're painting black over green struts... :-think strange work sequence...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 01, 2011, 03:33:33 PM
Green was just test...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 01, 2011, 09:56:04 PM
Black over front and middle section ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on June 01, 2011, 10:13:47 PM
Good job Srecko! :-clap :-clap
I like it! ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 02, 2011, 12:56:36 AM
Well, as said earlier, here's my progress...
First picture shows amount of flesh on tail parts - I needed half hour to get from the left to the right side, for each pair. Becomes a little boring, correcting lots of stupid small things... :-wall
Meanwhile I set most of lozenge decals - Techmod was a little fragile, but with use of Mr. Gunze Sangyo chemistry set absolutely great. On the other hand, if Techmod was fragile, Roden was totaly delicate to handle, but came out OK, again with liberate amounts of Japanese chem...
Fuselages are also painted or, better to say, Berthold's received base coat of CDL. Both are Vallejo ModelColor.
Last two pictures show use of math to make lozenge for ailerons, and finished sample.
Next is to paint streaky cammo on Bertholds' and white on Degelow's, rib tapes on both... Continuing tomorrow... :-wave
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on June 02, 2011, 01:01:21 AM
 :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 02, 2011, 01:52:26 PM
Here's small update - lozenge finished :-jump, and by the way I have corrected parts I've scratched earlier on the top surface by applying same parts of "canvas" over it.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 02, 2011, 10:05:28 PM
Nice progress!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 03, 2011, 12:20:54 AM
This morning I've finished lozenge, but tonight didn't want to bother my eyes applying rib tapes under artificial light, left that for tomorrow.
Nevertheless there's plenty of work, and painting was next in the order...
Here's my first try in streaky cammo - some correction is needed, but first result seems OK to me. Color used is Hu 86 Light Olive.
Second pic is another Fokker, although a little of it could be seen - when I mask, I really do mask!
Joke aside, I painted white using Gunze Mr. Base White spray. Since I'm working mostly with paintbrush I'm not so used to masking process - therefore better to mask everything than to leave some small spot uncovered ;)
Hope that tomorrow there'll be time for some rib taping :-wave
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 03, 2011, 06:02:50 AM
Undercover F.VII :))
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 03, 2011, 06:09:34 AM
Nice streaky camo!!!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 03, 2011, 10:42:59 AM
This morning I've taken off mask and, other than minor overspray on the right side :-wall, white is OK...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 03, 2011, 11:22:06 AM
Fortunately, no irremediable disaster... ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 03, 2011, 11:57:15 AM
My camera battery is empty, later I will take images of green painted front piece.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 06, 2011, 07:58:53 PM
Decal setting phase...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 06, 2011, 10:53:52 PM
It's 3 days now that I'm applying rib tapes( :-wall :-wall), and I'm almost finished... on Degelow's plane :-roll
For Berthold's I yet have to cut it from lozenge table :-dal, so it'll take some more time...
Of note are two things - it took me on average 3.5 min x tape (100 pieces for both surfaces of both wings), and more important that you get much better and cleaner cut if you cut tapes from the decal table when it is positioned face down onto the cutting mat. Cut gently, 2-3 strokes, instead of one strong.
Yep, pics tomorrow, now I'm going to continue taping... :-wave
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 06, 2011, 11:07:31 PM
Well, this tape wait me tomorrow, I did not even touch plastic kits last days
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 09, 2011, 10:00:23 AM
Rib tapes for Berthold's plane are given as simple lozenge table, so I had to cut 'em one by one.
To do that I again stole useful tip, this time from the internet: apply masking tape onto the cutting mat in level with one thinner grid line. The width of line perchance corresponds to the width of the rib tape (:))), so it's easy to face the decal down and level it to the masking tape, level the ruler to the lower edge of the grid line and cut applying some light strokes. It takes some time, but at the end you have useful batch of rib tapes ;)
Second pic shows fuselage and tail after second (and final) coat of Light Olive - for me it's perfect!
Meanwhile I got what seems just the right shade of the Jasta 15 blau (thanx, Samuraj! :-flo), so now all I have to do is wait for this to dry, apply gloss, apply cross, apply mat, paint... Not so much work :-roll
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 09, 2011, 10:06:23 AM
Streak are great!!!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on June 09, 2011, 10:58:59 AM
Extra! ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on June 09, 2011, 03:34:11 PM
Beautiful! And I thought cutting rib tapes on real airplanes was a repetetive job........
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 09, 2011, 04:42:47 PM
Finally I am little back to modeling and strip day on my side (this was planed to be week ago...)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 09, 2011, 05:13:24 PM
Don't forget to apply the tape also onto the innermost rib (the one closest to the fuselage) ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 09, 2011, 05:59:04 PM
Good point!!! I would forget this without your notice! Thank you, you have a barrel of alcohol from me ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on June 09, 2011, 06:16:56 PM
Very good No.1 :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 09, 2011, 06:29:42 PM
Nice work, mates!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: samuraj77 on June 09, 2011, 09:52:47 PM
Small update from me  :-/
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Letipapa on June 09, 2011, 11:46:34 PM
Guys, you are "crazy", this is fantastic :-obey :-obey :-obey :-obey :-obey :-obey :-tri :-wave
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 10, 2011, 01:18:31 AM
Small update from my side, although it contains one week of work - Degelow's wings are fully decaled and everything's ready for mat coat, while Berthold's are in the process of applying rib tapes and fuselage still dries, to be gloss coated... Oh yes, both sets of wings require minor corrections to ripped decals (blaming and cursing Roden and my clumsiness all the time :-evil)
BTW nice interior, Samuraj :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 10, 2011, 06:23:59 AM
Well done mates!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 10, 2011, 03:36:24 PM
What I made yesterday...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 10, 2011, 08:05:00 PM
Today, minor corrections on the upper wing. Microsculpt decals are nice but fragile... Really fragile... Very fragile... :-evil
The wing is photographed being still under the MicroSet effect  :-roll

For the ribs, I'm finally using Americal Gryphon ones. Just because there is more ribs on that sheet than on the Eagle Strike, and more ribs than present on Eduard decal sheet will be needed. Work in progress on the undersurfaces.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on June 10, 2011, 08:23:47 PM
 :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 11, 2011, 07:42:47 AM
Nice work on your sample :) I get some time and almost complete strips on this machine. But must say that I have almost wipe off all paint and decals from this kit as well I find and sample which served until 1943!!! Next time  :-razz
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 12, 2011, 12:16:59 PM
I get more time to work on my D.VII
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 12, 2011, 12:24:38 PM
Excellent progression, and nice choice for the deco!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 12, 2011, 01:13:18 PM
I like it to. Must do it as soon as possible, tooooooooo long stand on my work bench. There is much more interesting projects to do!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 12, 2011, 01:51:30 PM
For my kit I've actually problems with Microsculpt decals. As you can read on Theaerodrome, there are the best - they say. I'm not convinced at all... Sure there are nice for what concerns lozenge colors (even if, as said, none owns the truth in this domain...) but there are a pitty to place. After three coats of MicroSol, I still have defaults in the upper lozenge decals of my upper wing...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 12, 2011, 02:01:26 PM
You have preserved samples of fabric in your country so you can always check out who is the best.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 12, 2011, 03:38:49 PM
Few steps done in meantime :))
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 12, 2011, 04:25:56 PM
You have preserved samples of fabric in your country so you can always check out who is the best.

Right. But here it's just a question of decals quality...

Excellent progress on yours, mate.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 12, 2011, 04:41:05 PM
Thank you mate. So- need to print new decals for lozenge?
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 12, 2011, 05:10:24 PM
Thank you mate. So- need to print new decals for lozenge?

I think no. I will resolve that problem on any manner... ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 12, 2011, 05:11:11 PM
Little progress - plus 4th MicroSol coat on the lozenges...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 12, 2011, 08:57:30 PM
To copy again images I have accidentally put in Dr.I topic  :-wall
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 12, 2011, 09:15:03 PM
I like that Fokker...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 13, 2011, 09:59:02 AM
Nice build and nice appearance :-clap I like your wing-installation jig :-tri
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 13, 2011, 11:24:24 AM
Yesterday I was dealing mostly with Degelow's plane - smaller parts, struts and similar...
I was extremely careful, so only one strut broke when detaching from the sprue. Interesting is that it is same as the Berthold's one which is still on the sprue, and broke at exactly the same spot :-dal (pics 1-2)

Later I attached lower wing(s) to the fuselage of Degelow's plane, and this morning, along a coffee, thought of quick-filling of the gap using Tamiya basic putty. This plain stupidity just shows my morning state of mind, when coffee is still undrunk :-roll
Other plane received cross, which'll be overpainted these days...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 13, 2011, 12:05:08 PM
Streaky camo... must do something very soon in this way and to refresh my mind!!!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 13, 2011, 12:13:26 PM
Nice progress!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on June 13, 2011, 06:46:07 PM
Finally,i'm here again.
Great,great job i saw here guys.Just go ahead!! :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 13, 2011, 07:10:49 PM
After 5 coats of MicroSol, the upper wing is finally OK... But asked for minor corrections, some lozenge being damaged in the process...

And I'm continuing to place the ribs...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 14, 2011, 07:09:23 PM
Just to put wires and my build is complete :))
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on June 14, 2011, 07:19:16 PM
Bravo!! :-clap
Now,let's go to finish this! ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 14, 2011, 08:00:45 PM
Sweet... :)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 14, 2011, 08:12:22 PM
:))
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Letipapa on June 18, 2011, 12:15:21 AM
Very tasty colorful gem :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: samuraj77 on June 18, 2011, 08:16:36 AM
Well done
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 20, 2011, 03:28:47 PM
Some work from my side, although there wasn't much time these days...
Berthold: Finished rib tapes and wing crosses applied - the pressure of the tweezers was just a little too hard for fragile Roden's decals, but this was later corrected with paint.
This morning the center section of the upper wing is sprayed base white, and later a blue was applied - I've finaly laid my hands onto the shade I imagined :-jump - maybe just a little too light, but proper blue - MM 1594 (Thanx, Tanja! :-flo). Here's first layer, while the second one is going to do the thing, I believe :)
Degelow: I intended to use wash on the wings to minimise obvious silvering of rib tapes, which even liberal application of nitro solvent couldn't kill (first 2 pics). Following pictures show the progress and finished surface of lower wings - unfortunatelly, silvering is still visible :-wall
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 20, 2011, 03:45:16 PM
Where is Tanja?
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 20, 2011, 04:12:01 PM
Was here yesterday, with a family - kids had a playday, and we discussed weathering techniques...
Unfortunately weather was bad so we were inside , although the original plan was to unleash some kites by the river...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 20, 2011, 04:25:10 PM
Everywhere you go always take a weather with you ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 20, 2011, 05:20:08 PM
Nice progress!!!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 20, 2011, 10:48:36 PM
A small evening update: MGs are mounted, along with gun blast tubes. These are made of beforementioned Nescafe can.
Don't know if you have already noticed footsteps on the wings - aluminium-painted decal...
Until soon :-wave
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 21, 2011, 06:38:19 AM
Fine work - Your exhaust is splendid!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on June 21, 2011, 03:45:34 PM
Great work Profaaa!!! :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Letipapa on June 22, 2011, 10:18:10 AM
Profaaaaa! :-obey :-tri :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 22, 2011, 03:05:51 PM
Today I played scratchbuilding a little - Aldis gunsight is made of syringe, as are gun tubes... Christ, what a job to cut those little pieces and try to keep'em on the table at the same time :-wall Actually I've cut 4 but have found only 2.
Support for gunsight is of stretched sprue. OK, the paint should be corrected, it wasn't scratched so much...
Now the stage is finally set for attachment of upper wing :-roll
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 22, 2011, 03:09:02 PM
Must say that you have sharp eye's :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 22, 2011, 05:32:53 PM
A beauty...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on June 22, 2011, 06:41:14 PM
Today I played scratchbuilding a little - Aldis gunsight is made of syringe, as are gun tubes... Christ, what a job to cut those little pieces and try to keep'em on the table at the same time :-wall Actually I've cut 4 but have found only 2.


That brings up one of "Murphy's Laws"--often I scratchbuild something and then lose it. The second copy always goes together faster but is never the same quality as the first..... :-roll

Great job, everyone!!!!!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on June 23, 2011, 12:59:59 AM
Really nice scratchbuild.Everything is so small!! :-clap :-clap
I agree with Scott.Always is like he said. :-roll
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 24, 2011, 01:32:17 PM
A little woodwork :-joke
Both propellers were given a base coat of Vallejo Flat Flesh.
On Axial it was followed by Vallejo Smoke, to make a lighter wooden texture (1st pic), then a light coat of gloss to protect surface. Next was careful masking (pics 2-4), and painting of darker shade using Humbrol 10 Brown - pics 5-6 show it before and after taking the mask off. :-tri
Garuda received just a light coat of Precision RLM 26, I wanted to obtain reddish hue...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 24, 2011, 01:33:48 PM
This is great and no doubt not easy to cover and protect with tape that narrow and curved object!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on June 24, 2011, 01:47:43 PM
Crazy work! :-clap :-clap
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Post by: draken35 on June 24, 2011, 05:41:24 PM
Nice!!!
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Post by: Second Air Force on June 24, 2011, 06:08:37 PM
Beautiful lamination!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 26, 2011, 07:12:20 PM
Still busy with rib tapes...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 26, 2011, 07:13:49 PM
Very precise work as I can see!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 26, 2011, 07:26:57 PM
I would have loved that ther was enoughblue ribs on the Eduard decal sheet... At the exact dimension, would have avoided a long work of measurement, and problems with Americal ribs, that are... Well... let say they have their own character... ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on June 26, 2011, 08:09:14 PM
Good work Daniel! ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 26, 2011, 08:11:30 PM
Thank you Sall!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 27, 2011, 10:26:48 AM
Nice work, Daniel :-ok, and I find it strange that Eduard didn't give enough of rib tapes :-dal

From my side, there was some work yesterday - the mount of upper wing was pretty straightforward: first I mounted interplane struts onto the lower wing and checked the angle with my »eyeball sight Mk.I« :-eek. Then everything was attached to upper wing, using the jig of old coins to set wings parallel.
Checking cabane struts, I faced strange problem – verticals are longer, V-shaped strut has wrong angle, its front leg is too long while rear is too short :-dal... I suppose that actually interplane struts were just a little too short... However, some surgery is needed to put everything into correct position :-think
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 27, 2011, 10:28:53 AM
Complex job for that scale!! Nicely done :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 27, 2011, 10:53:50 AM
Nice work, Daniel :-ok, and I find it strange that Eduard didn't give enough of rib tapes :-dal

From my side, there was some work yesterday - the mount of upper wing was pretty straightforward: first I mounted interplane struts onto the lower wing and checked the angle with my »eyeball sight Mk.I« :-eek. Then everything was attached to upper wing, using the jig of old coins to set wings parallel.
Checking cabane struts, I faced strange problem – verticals are longer, V-shaped strut has wrong angle, its front leg is too long while rear is too short :-dal... I suppose that actually interplane struts were just a little too short... However, some surgery is needed to put everything into correct position :-think

Thank you Profa! Well, for Eduard ribs it seems paradoxal to say that ther is enough ribs but in the same time there is not enough...
But to explain more clearly, see the boxart of Eduard Dual Combo box: ribs are also present on the chord of the wings, ailerons (see my first photo here)... Eduard privided some ribs in supplement, but not enough to do the chord of an entire aircraft. Supplement of ribs sounds more present in case of some accident with the "normal" ones.

Strange problems you have encountered. I just hope you will not have too much difficulties to correct them. Your work is excellent...

For myself, I continue to place Americal ribs. And I HATE them! There are breakable, difficult to place but easy to go away... Anyway I have no choice, there are the only ribs I own in sufficient quantity for my kit...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 27, 2011, 11:57:15 AM
ribs are also present on the chord of the wings, ailerons (see my first photo here)...
Huh, few ideas for your rib problem: for the chord of the wings I'd use appropriate paint - just use middle part of the paintbrush and go lightly.
I wouldn't use rib tapes for ailerons (and I didn't), 'cause these usually weren't covered :-think Maybe Eduard was wrong on this (they tend to have that problem sometimes...)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 27, 2011, 12:46:03 PM
Original and corrected rear leg of the V-strut, and sets put in place.
Also the cut on the fron vertical strut could be seen
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 27, 2011, 01:35:56 PM
Nice correction, Profa!

ribs are also present on the chord of the wings, ailerons (see my first photo here)...
Huh, few ideas for your rib problem: for the chord of the wings I'd use appropriate paint - just use middle part of the paintbrush and go lightly.
I wouldn't use rib tapes for ailerons (and I didn't), 'cause these usually weren't covered :-think Maybe Eduard was wrong on this (they tend to have that problem sometimes...)

Good idea forthe painting. And thanks for the precision, for the ailerons. I will try to find some photos of the Belgian airplane I wish to make, to see if there are ribs around the ailerons or not for that particular aircraft...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 27, 2011, 01:37:41 PM
...There aren't any ribs... Will correct that soon...
http://users.skynet.be/fa233213/En/AircraftModels/Fokker/DVIIBe/FokDVIIBerearright.html
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 27, 2011, 04:58:03 PM
I've removed the ribs of the ailerons.

But well, I'm really bothered with those decals that are fragile (Microsculpt) and breakable (Americal): the dythirambic comments on the drome sounds me not correct at all...
I'm really envisaging to REMOVE ALL those lozenges and ribs and to make a version provided by Eduard, with Eduard decals! Not decided yet, but...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 27, 2011, 05:51:51 PM
Do not do that, I'd say :-think... You've put in too much of an effort, and the thing looks too cool to be stripped off :-roll
Just try to make some appropriate salmon pink, take a brush in your hand and no doubt you'll make the nice birdie ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 27, 2011, 06:03:37 PM
Thank you Profa for your kind words, but there is bubbles under the lozenge and the ribs; if you try to remove them, you make holes and have to repare... and that creates bubbles in other locations! It's disappointing. And I don't like to continue in a way that is not satisfying for me.
I just come back from my workbench: not decided yet but clearly, I have the envy to remove those decals. Perheaps not for an Eduard deco; but for an all khaki unarmed Belgian D.VII... I keep my decision in instances until wednesday (the weather will be more clement; actually impossible to work in the workbench...).
Oh, and to have to restart a deco is not a problem, but in such a case the good solution ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 27, 2011, 07:41:44 PM
Well... Thinking and thinking again at that problem, I've decided not to wait until wednesday. The parts were dropped in methanol. I've removed decals and paint. Now I have to choose another decoration... Will take some days for that.

Profa, I really have no regret at all  ;)

Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 27, 2011, 09:47:30 PM
The point is that you're satisfied with the model, be it built from zero. That was just my opinion, but you do it as you wish, I'd live with it ;)
No, if we could help you with the idea for decoration, just say... Any other Belgian Fokkers on that BR sheet?
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 28, 2011, 08:13:35 PM
I have not said my last word with that aircraft... I will try to make my own lozenge decals (those of Doug Baumann). Will try on inkjet decal paper; if not satisfied, next month I will buy laser decal paper...

Never surrender! ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on June 28, 2011, 08:41:39 PM
You are crazy! :))
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 28, 2011, 09:10:34 PM
You are crazy! :))

Yes, I'm sure of that ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: javier_planells on June 28, 2011, 09:14:37 PM
How about a dutch or russian machine? Do you happen to have any of those Blue Rider decal sheets? May be a lithuanian machine?
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 28, 2011, 10:02:40 PM
Well, I really wish to build a Belgian one. And the second kit of the box will be German.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 28, 2011, 11:25:13 PM
Pulling the strings, or how to make control surfaces "work":
The first point to attach wire (elastane, in my case ;)) was lower aileron control horn (pic 1).
Next I've drilled hole through the tail, where upper horisontal stabiliser wires should go. Then I attached elastane (string, from now on) to a fine wire with a drop of CA glue and used wire as a needle to pass string through the hole. Then CA glue to the fuselage point of entry, attach, wait a minute, CA glue to the stabiliser control horn, pull the string over it, wait a minute, cut with sharp xacto... Next string... (pics 2-7) ...as simple as that :))
Why rudder is missing? I didn't want it to stand in the way until needed or, even worse, to break it unintentionally... :-dal
Then I attached control wires for ailerons on fuselage side, and then scratchbuilt upper aileron control horns (of stretched sprue) (pics 8-9). Strangely enough, Roden made a hole in the wing, instead of raised horn :-wall...
The last of todays' work was installation of rudder, of course in offset position (pics 10-11). Now I'll wait for it to set, then rudder control strings and finally tail struts are to be mounted...
More soon... :-wave
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 29, 2011, 06:44:01 AM
Nice work, Profa!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 29, 2011, 07:01:48 PM
Today I've prepared the 4 colours lozenges and blue ribs from Doug Baumann (made .pdf with long bands of lozenges and one with the ribs). Then I tried to print the lozenges on clear decal sheet paper - a disaster! Maybe my printer is too old (HP930); maybe the decal sheet paper I received from a friend is too old or not for inkjet printers...
So OK, my D.VII is actually placed in reserve; next month I will buy laser decal sheets...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 30, 2011, 12:53:49 PM
Last minute works on "white stag" comprised of attachment of rest of strings, then the landing gear assembly. Here I remembered that I might add shock absorbers of simple thread - this should be done before the landing gear wing was attached to the rest :-think, this way I made complicated operation out of it :-wall (seen on pic)...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on June 30, 2011, 12:56:32 PM
Small details were left for the end - lifting handles made of wire, PE leg support (Part gives two pieces, only port side is needed), a little touch-up of paint where needed...

...and here it is, finished! :-jump :-love

Comments welcome! :-wave
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on June 30, 2011, 01:32:11 PM
 :-ok :-ok :-ok :-flo :-flo :-flo :-clap :-clap :-clap

You deserve bottle of alcohol called rakija for this marvelous job  :-tri
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on June 30, 2011, 02:16:41 PM
What to say?? :-think
Beautiful work indeed!!! :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on June 30, 2011, 03:30:56 PM
Absolutely beautiful, Profa. I'm learning much from you folks about these early machines and the final product is inspiring.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on June 30, 2011, 07:02:31 PM
Well done, Profa!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on July 02, 2011, 01:21:40 AM
After two days' break, I continued this evening with "winged sword": first pic shows it after 3 layers of blue, where everything seems just right. Next was paint of first red layer... oh, this would require more than 3 to properly cover the surface :-think
While at it, I separated from the sprue all the struts. As mentioned earlier, one interplane strut was already broken, so I had to be extremely careful cleaning the others. 45 minutes later, all are flesh-free and ready for paint... The mentioned strut broke at another point, so it was 3-piece affair :-wall
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on July 02, 2011, 01:25:10 AM
Crash is normal thing with small parts but also depend from manufacturer plastic
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Post by: ta152c on July 02, 2011, 01:34:11 AM
Nice work :)
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Post by: Sall on July 02, 2011, 01:51:45 AM
I like those paints... :-flo
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on July 02, 2011, 06:45:12 AM
Splendid. Had similar problems of fragile little parts with 1/72 Roden kits...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on July 04, 2011, 02:43:09 PM
Waiting for red to dry and glue to set (I broke N-strut...yet again :-wall :-wall), I tried to take some detail pictures of finished "white stag" - guns, undercarriage and tail cables. Hope you like it...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on July 04, 2011, 02:53:38 PM
Work on this subject is everything but easy and you have complete this in very descent way :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on July 04, 2011, 05:13:23 PM
Yes, really nice build!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on July 04, 2011, 05:15:52 PM
Very fine machine!  :-obey :-obey
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on July 04, 2011, 07:15:56 PM
Good photos Profa! :-flo
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on July 08, 2011, 09:51:40 PM
Today I have ordered for clear laser decal sheets. Hope to receive them soon, and to try to obtain a good result...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on July 09, 2011, 03:00:34 PM
Red required 5 layers, but now fuselage is prepared for attachment of lower wing.
Also all small red parts are finished, as well as landing gear wing which received second layer of olive.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on July 09, 2011, 03:08:24 PM
Very good result mate! :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on July 09, 2011, 07:36:15 PM
Splendid!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on July 13, 2011, 05:06:18 PM
A little progress: after white primer, I've airbrushed Vallejo Wood on the propeller. It's the base before more developped work...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on July 13, 2011, 05:41:43 PM
 :-ok
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Post by: Profa on July 13, 2011, 07:19:29 PM
This Vallejo is really nice shade for base :-ok
That's AirColor, right?
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on July 13, 2011, 07:50:19 PM
This Vallejo is really nice shade for base :-ok
That's AirColor, right?

Hi Scott,
No it's not the Vallejo Air, it's the normal one that you have to dilute (I use glass washing product for Vallejo; it's perfect).
I must say I like Vallejo paints...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on July 14, 2011, 06:37:06 AM
Hi Scott,
:-dal :) ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on July 14, 2011, 05:05:52 PM
Hi Scott,
:-dal :) ;)

Oups...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on July 14, 2011, 06:04:46 PM
Great work, both of you! Yes, I'm still observing...... :-wave
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on July 16, 2011, 12:45:38 AM
I have attached lower wings, also crosses are set on upper wing and rudder.
Now it's time for filling the gap :-roll
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on July 16, 2011, 12:54:26 AM
Excellent work on gap :))
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on July 16, 2011, 06:28:09 AM
Profa, if you speak about the gap between the wing and the fuselage, don't fill it: on the actual airplane, the wings were simply fixed, and the presence of a gap is normal...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on July 16, 2011, 07:34:20 AM
Daniel, I was talking about the gap between wing halves underneath the fuselage, the one where I had to separate them in order to get enough distance to fix'em properly to the fuselage... it's not just a gap, it's actually 2mm hole :-bat
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on July 16, 2011, 08:51:01 AM
Plastic strips and filler could solve this ;) You know that, I am sure
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on July 17, 2011, 07:20:29 AM
Daniel, I was talking about the gap between wing halves underneath the fuselage, the one where I had to separate them in order to get enough distance to fix'em properly to the fuselage... it's not just a gap, it's actually 2mm hole :-bat

OK, you're right for that: must be filled... ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on July 17, 2011, 04:51:21 PM
Spandaus are painted in Gun Metal...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on July 17, 2011, 04:53:11 PM
Nice reminder :) Long time ago I have use pin wise to hold small parts :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on July 17, 2011, 05:08:38 PM
Nice reminder :) Long time ago I have use pin wise to hold small parts :-clap

Best way to go with the Spandaus I think... ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on July 17, 2011, 06:35:26 PM
:-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on July 21, 2011, 02:36:15 PM
Finally have found Bison's 2-component epoxy to cure the gap :-obey
I've used this before, but during the apartment change it somehow got lost :-roll
2 minutes mix and application later, gap looks much better. Another light coat will follow after this one dries...
As the afterthought - epoxy blob, leftover from mixing, could be used for water puddle on some diorama or model base (last pic)... ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on July 21, 2011, 02:49:13 PM
Transparent version, nice one :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on July 21, 2011, 03:08:55 PM
Nice! :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on July 21, 2011, 03:14:37 PM
Actually, I had already used it to simulate water on this "heavy rains" vignette, few years ago:
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa189/jaka013/BrailleScale/REV_KruppProtze_Pak/th_32.jpg) (http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa189/jaka013/BrailleScale/REV_KruppProtze_Pak/32.jpg)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on July 23, 2011, 07:43:36 AM
Epoxy was water sanded with 270 and 800 grit, and after painting there's no gap :-jump
I also made footsteps, this time of alu foil...
Meanwhile (tonight, that is) the plane is weathered, so now it's just to apply some decals and top wing follows...
I love this peacock more and more :-love
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on July 23, 2011, 07:45:16 AM
Well done with the epoxy! :)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on July 23, 2011, 07:47:49 AM
Epoxy is a meaning of life ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on July 23, 2011, 10:42:21 AM
Soo good!!! :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on July 23, 2011, 09:01:37 PM
Photos since 5 minutes ago: weathering is almost finished, guns are on, as well as aileron cables, so now it's time for top wing assembly... :-jump
This will happen later in the evening, when we put kids to sleep :-wch
Afterwards I'll correct paint on MG blast tubes, blast protection, and put some drybrush of red in few places...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on July 23, 2011, 09:06:03 PM
Excellent!! :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on July 23, 2011, 09:22:03 PM
 :-ok :-ok :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on July 23, 2011, 09:51:06 PM
Great job :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on July 26, 2011, 08:49:15 PM
I was not happy with the painting of the propeller... So, once again...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on July 26, 2011, 09:08:43 PM
:( I don't like when I have to repeat process :(
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on July 26, 2011, 09:14:33 PM
:( I don't like when I have to repeat process :(

I had no choice: my propellers were really badly painted; furthermore I consider that as testing for different methods ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on July 26, 2011, 10:39:42 PM
:( I don't like when I have to repeat process :(
Me too! :-roll
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on July 26, 2011, 11:57:29 PM
Part of our hobby - repeat until satisfied :-roll
I did the same with red on my Fokker, not to mention 3x works on Flashar's Albatros...
Now I'm on a business trip, so you might expect next update of my project around the weekend... Good thing - my hotel is in spa, and there's indoor pool... Question is whether I'll have time for it :-/
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on July 29, 2011, 10:04:11 PM
Tamiya XF-59
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on July 29, 2011, 10:13:02 PM
Nice! ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on July 29, 2011, 10:40:17 PM
Precision:

Left: the Fokker D.VII propeller.
Right: the Dr.I one.
Above: Albatros D.XI (Karaya 1/48 ) one...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on July 30, 2011, 08:56:53 PM
Front side of the propeller: Burnt Umber
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on July 30, 2011, 09:07:00 PM
So precise work! ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on July 30, 2011, 10:59:45 PM
Garuda and two Axials - nice :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on July 31, 2011, 08:22:58 AM
So... after 3 days out of house, I have continued works yesterday evening...
As mentioned in Degelow's build, one of last obstacles is strut assembly - these are out of scale, so here are pictures of originals and my modifications...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on July 31, 2011, 08:25:34 AM
Nice details ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on July 31, 2011, 08:37:59 AM
Very fine work... Splendid!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on July 31, 2011, 10:01:48 AM
...and my final word on struts, this morning during the (second) morning coffee :)
Now to some more cabling, rudder attachment , sword decals, landing gear, and that would be about it :-jump

thanks for nice comments :-flo
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on July 31, 2011, 10:52:17 AM
Very nice!!!

...Hey, and you can make models drinking coffee??? Impossible for me; coffee makes me too nervious...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on July 31, 2011, 12:11:02 PM
Without morning coffee I couldn't even see the model box, let alone the struts... :-roll
Usually I drink coffee throughout the day, and all the time I'm modelling - almost like a juice :-wch
Tonight I've finished work around two, took a last sip of coffee and went straight to bed - no problem for me :)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on July 31, 2011, 03:48:55 PM
Very good job Profa. Just go on! :-clap :-clap And give us more! :)) ;)
I don't drink coffee. I won't to have tail! :)) :-roll
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on July 31, 2011, 05:00:05 PM
Cabling for horisontal stabiliser was done as on Degelow's plane - fine wire was used as a needle to thread elastomere through drilled plastic, and the rest was piece of cake...
Afterwards I've attached and wired the rudder, attached tailplane struts and applied winged sword decals. These are as fragile as it might be, so the crack could be seen :-/ This was corrected after taking a pic.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on July 31, 2011, 09:18:59 PM
Little number wires but again need patience ;) Nice work :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on August 01, 2011, 07:53:05 AM
Without morning coffee I couldn't even see the model box, let alone the struts... :-roll
Usually I drink coffee throughout the day, and all the time I'm modelling - almost like a juice :-wch
Tonight I've finished work around two, took a last sip of coffee and went straight to bed - no problem for me :)

That schedule sounds familiar! I worked a midnight shift for eight years so coffee hasn't much effect on me either.....

Great work and thanks for the updates!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on August 02, 2011, 12:35:02 AM
This time I was clever enough to mount "shock-absorbers" prior to attach landing gear to the fuselage :))
....
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on August 02, 2011, 12:36:33 AM
...and here's sneak peek of the just finished model :-jump
Hope to have nice weather tomorrow, in order to make proper pictures... :-roll
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on August 02, 2011, 02:56:58 AM
Waiting for more pics. Look soo good! ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on August 02, 2011, 02:13:58 PM
Done, finished :-jump :-love
I think I'll take a break of double-deckers :-think... just to finish few more  :-roll :))
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: dragan_mig31 on August 02, 2011, 02:26:16 PM
outstanding work my friend.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on August 02, 2011, 02:53:26 PM
Nice work!!!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on August 02, 2011, 03:41:00 PM
Great work mate! :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on August 02, 2011, 03:57:19 PM
BEAUTIFUL!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: ta152c on August 02, 2011, 11:57:03 PM
That is nicely done indeed.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on August 03, 2011, 10:16:24 AM
Excellent work :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on August 10, 2011, 09:41:08 PM
Second face of the propeller...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on August 10, 2011, 09:42:23 PM
Nice :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on August 10, 2011, 10:01:13 PM
Thank you mate!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on August 10, 2011, 10:17:05 PM
+1 with Srecko! :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on August 18, 2011, 10:27:04 PM
I've sent pics to Roden, and: http://www.roden.eu/HTML/framenews.htm
Must say that I'm very happy :-jump
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on August 19, 2011, 02:34:54 AM
Congratulations, Profa!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on August 19, 2011, 04:12:36 AM
Yes, congrats!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on August 19, 2011, 06:45:32 AM
Do you have direct link, can't see it :(
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on August 19, 2011, 11:30:30 AM
Do you have direct link, can't see it :(
Me too!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on August 19, 2011, 11:38:41 AM
I found it!!
http://www.roden.eu/Gallery/025/025.htm
http://www.roden.eu/Gallery/033/033.htm
Congratulations Profa!! :-clap I'm very happy for you! :-tri
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on August 19, 2011, 11:40:43 AM
First link is Przemyslaw Litewka but other one is our Profa :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on August 19, 2011, 12:10:27 PM
There is some mistake. On home page writes:
#025 - Zoran Jakovljevic, Pancevo, Serbia
#033 - Zoran Jakovljevic, Pancevo, Serbia
As you see,i copied this to links,but on first writes some name,which is not Profa,but i think that it is Profa's work! ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on August 19, 2011, 12:31:41 PM
Enjoy mate ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on August 19, 2011, 07:32:12 PM
They obviously didn't put pics of Berthols' plane, although they announced it in news section. That Litewka's work is old one. Should I push them about that? :-think
Thanks for nice words, my friends!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on August 19, 2011, 07:34:03 PM
No need to push anybody... enjoy modeling ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on August 19, 2011, 10:47:54 PM
No need to push anybody... enjoy modeling ;)
Of course I'm enjoying it, and of course I was :-joke about pushing  ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on September 22, 2011, 06:15:20 PM
Well, I have finally received clear decal sheets for laser printer!!!

After a first order in the USA that never came at home (tracking revealed that it was delivered in... Miami...), I've bought 5 sheets in England and after a week I can say "hoooray"!!!

Will try to print Doug Bauman's lozenges...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on September 22, 2011, 06:17:07 PM
Nice! ;) We wait for continue! :-flo
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on September 22, 2011, 07:38:20 PM
Waiting to see Dougs decals on wings :-jump
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on September 25, 2011, 07:48:56 PM
Friday during the lunch I go to the printshop to print with a laser printer the lozenges on the laser decal sheets. All worked very fine.

During the week-end I began the work. To be mentioned that clear decal sheet gives translucid decals! Perheaps is it better for lozenges to use white laser decal sheets; but fortunately the white primer was OK to obtain a good result.

I'm happy with the work of Doug Baumann, that gives nice lozenges. The clear decal sheets are also very good, thin but resistant.

Here are two photos of the work in progress.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on September 25, 2011, 08:05:43 PM
Great job! :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on September 25, 2011, 08:14:18 PM
Excellent look and I am glad that you will reduce number of kits in work ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on September 25, 2011, 09:19:51 PM
Thank you mates!

Srecko you're right, the stock of "kits in progress" haves to lower drastically... ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on September 25, 2011, 10:03:45 PM
Looks great now!
I definitely like Doug's colours...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on September 27, 2011, 08:06:21 PM
Yes, Doug made a great job!

Work still in progress (sorry, bad light...)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on September 27, 2011, 08:14:24 PM
 :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on September 27, 2011, 08:23:09 PM
No problem about the light, situation is clear ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on September 27, 2011, 08:28:07 PM
Thanks mates! ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on September 28, 2011, 11:29:42 AM
Are you sure about rib tapes on ailerons (again)? :-think
Yes, we'd already mentioned it... http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/forum/makete-aviona-aircraft-modeling/fokker-d-vii-group-build/msg23761/#msg23761
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on September 28, 2011, 05:32:53 PM
You're right Profa, I'm so "in the moon"...
Will correct that quickly. Thanks!!!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on October 02, 2011, 08:42:44 PM
Lozenge decaling on the wings and ailerons is finished now!

I have begun to place the German crosses, that will be covered by Belgian cockades. It's important that the German crosses can be seen under Belgian colors, like on the actual photos...

I take my photos before to use MicroSol ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on October 02, 2011, 08:45:35 PM
This is so nice!!! Interesting to note that Fokker D.VII was used in United States and they use it with original German markings until 1923!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on October 02, 2011, 11:02:01 PM
Excellent,excellent job! Like on real plane. :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on October 03, 2011, 05:44:12 PM
Thank you mates!

I will resume the work in 2 or 3 days; very busy time actually...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on October 03, 2011, 07:42:24 PM
Nice looking combination of decals, and those lozenge are  :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on October 03, 2011, 08:16:38 PM
Thank you! Yes, the lozenge are fabulous, but I think it's better to use white decal sheet than clear ones, to give more luminosity to the decals...
Anyway, I'm very happy of the work of Doug!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on October 04, 2011, 08:57:55 PM
Belgian cockades are applied on the upper wing. MicroSol is used. More than one application will be needed I think...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on October 06, 2011, 08:20:24 PM
Have worked very carefully with a (new) razor blade; then MicroSol again...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on October 06, 2011, 08:31:54 PM
:-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on October 06, 2011, 09:13:48 PM
Very,very nice! ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on October 06, 2011, 09:33:36 PM
Thanks!

Good news is that I still have ten fingers... ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on October 12, 2011, 09:47:03 AM
Works are still progressing:

The engine must have to be weathered now. and I've begun to glue the parts of the interior of the fuselage but have curiously encountered some fitting problems...  :-eek  :-think

As you can see on the phtos, I've not removed the Microsculpt decals in the cockpit: with the short space; and the light that will be different, not only the difference of the interior/exterior lozenges will be really insignifiant; but that can also represent the "faded" side of the lozenges...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on October 12, 2011, 11:27:33 AM
Fitting problems? Top of the fuselage just behind of engine?
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on October 12, 2011, 11:49:25 AM
Exactly. If you watch the third photo, you will see that I have sanded all the parts intersecting the two half fuselages...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on October 12, 2011, 11:52:14 AM
Issue by the same parts, easy to solve :) One big hammer will solve that ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on October 12, 2011, 12:07:09 PM
 :-green
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on October 12, 2011, 12:11:53 PM
No matter of this, this is really nice kit to work, I hope I will have them more in future
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on October 12, 2011, 12:22:53 PM
Oh yes, it's a nice kit! I have the second kit of the box to build; and I will use it as a trial platform for some HEAVY weathering techniques...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on October 12, 2011, 12:24:24 PM
...Something like this one:
(http://www.belgian-wings.be/Webpages/Navigator/Photos/MilltaryPics/interbellum/Fokker%20DVII/fokker_dvii_f06_de_rijck.jpg)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on October 12, 2011, 12:39:59 PM
Wonderful subject mate :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on October 23, 2011, 03:41:50 PM
I've weathered the engine with Citadel ink (Chestnut and Black); glued the seatbelts and the seat, then the fuselage is closed - at last...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on October 23, 2011, 03:54:00 PM
 :-ok

Awaiting further updates on this great project......
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on October 23, 2011, 04:21:02 PM
Just relax and enjoy ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on October 23, 2011, 04:23:47 PM
 :-ok
I'm glad to see that this topic is still alive. ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on October 24, 2011, 08:36:07 PM
:-ok
I'm glad to see that this topic is still alive. ;)

It's just because I'm very late...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on October 24, 2011, 08:38:40 PM
Very tired after an infernal work day... So I made little work only: sanding, and creation of the gabarits for the lozenges decals of the fuselage.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on October 24, 2011, 08:54:25 PM
Green? What green you use?
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on October 24, 2011, 09:06:28 PM
Gunze H302 will be used as green...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on October 24, 2011, 09:08:25 PM
Look so good! I know some preserved samples and this is good match ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on October 29, 2011, 08:31:21 AM
Ready for primer!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on October 29, 2011, 08:37:39 AM
And famous sponge inside :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on October 29, 2011, 08:39:20 AM
Sponge is like flexifile: once used, you cannot work without it... :)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on October 29, 2011, 08:41:29 AM
Ha ha :) I never ask you, what do you use to apply primer, from spray bottle or airbrush?
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on October 29, 2011, 08:47:07 AM
I apply as primer an acrylic white (usually Tamiya or Gunze) with my airbrush. Don't like too much spray bottles: some years ago I used Citadel white primer in spray, but that was a stinking color (my wife disputed me each time due to the odor left in the house...) and sometimes I had "blotches" in the paint.

That said, it's possible for my second Fokker that I will use grey color as primer; I'm documenting for a heavy weathering...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on October 29, 2011, 08:55:35 AM
Thank you for reply. What airbrush you use for White primer, I also have bottle but never open it. And what to use for thinner, I mean optional thinner. By the way- you have airbrush just for primers or not?
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on October 29, 2011, 04:45:14 PM
but that was a stinking color (my wife disputed me each time due to the odor left in the house...)

Now THAT I understand!!!!!! I have a Dupont Variprime primer that I have used and it STINKS :-danger :-danger. Ellen threatens to throw me out to the dogs :-bat every time I even think about using that stuff, and I paint in the garage!

I must again say thanks for the sponge idea--I've used it on the last few builds and it is a great thing. :-flo
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on November 01, 2011, 09:35:13 PM
Thank you for reply. What airbrush you use for White primer, I also have bottle but never open it. And what to use for thinner, I mean optional thinner. By the way- you have airbrush just for primers or not?

Sorry to answer so lately mate... :(
I use a Badger 150. Not only for primer but also for all my painting works. I have a new airbrush (Evolution) but have not really tested it actually... When I will use the Evolution, of course the Badger will be used for primer only...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on November 01, 2011, 09:36:23 PM
but that was a stinking color (my wife disputed me each time due to the odor left in the house...)

Now THAT I understand!!!!!! I have a Dupont Variprime primer that I have used and it STINKS :-danger :-danger. Ellen threatens to throw me out to the dogs :-bat every time I even think about using that stuff, and I paint in the garage!

I must again say thanks for the sponge idea--I've used it on the last few builds and it is a great thing. :-flo

Yes, some products are really stinking...

For the sponge, see the Hellcat: a new use... ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on November 01, 2011, 09:36:46 PM
Good, I also want to get any old airbrush and use it for primer work only (for varnish also)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on November 01, 2011, 09:37:40 PM
White primer applied, and the parts that will be covered with decals are masked.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on November 01, 2011, 09:46:56 PM
 :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on November 02, 2011, 06:31:52 AM
Good, I also want to get any old airbrush and use it for primer work only (for varnish also)

May I suggest possibly a Badger 350? I use one for all my priming and heavy spraying. The best part is that you can simply toss the tip assembly in some thinner and let it there to clean itself between priming sessions. The paint/primer never makes it into the body of the gun so it never needs maintenance. I've used the same gun and tip for decades and it is totally faithful. They are relatively inexpensive as an added bonus!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on November 02, 2011, 06:39:21 AM
I agree about this, I just watch yesterday night all options to get this airbrush  Long time ago I have this airbrush and know its performance. It is excellent for this job but also one other things is included is the quick release connector, Iwata is on list as well I will have no need to get other but will see. My Aztec jammed and I would more prefer to repair it (it is not suitable for long time use with nitro thinner)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on November 22, 2011, 09:49:53 PM
My Fokker was awaiting that other workbenches need also aluminium paint...

It's used as a second primer.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on November 22, 2011, 09:53:28 PM
:-ok :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on November 22, 2011, 09:55:58 PM
Nice. :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on November 23, 2011, 07:04:26 AM
Thank you!

Same goal as for the Hellcat: simulating the natural metal; I will use maskol applied with sponge and then paint the green paint. Removing the maskol will give nice (hope so...) weathering.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on November 24, 2011, 09:09:37 PM
As previously annouced:

...Maskol (Neo) applied with a sponge, on th efuselage but also on the struts...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on November 24, 2011, 09:11:06 PM
Lets see progress mate, this look so interesting :)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on November 25, 2011, 12:53:57 PM
Ready for painting now...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on November 25, 2011, 09:58:57 PM
...Painted.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on November 25, 2011, 10:04:53 PM
And soon will be shown in its patched look ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on November 25, 2011, 10:07:05 PM
Yes: tomorrow.

Not today because glossy paint asks for more time to be perfectly dry...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on November 25, 2011, 10:15:47 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on November 26, 2011, 06:07:14 PM
Here is the result when maskol is removed...

I've also placed the decal of the lower lozenges.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on November 26, 2011, 06:13:04 PM
What a brilliant result  :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on November 26, 2011, 06:19:37 PM
Thank you!

I must say I'm totally happy... ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Ernie on November 26, 2011, 06:28:40 PM
Excellent effect, very realistic and looks great!
Ernie
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on November 26, 2011, 06:45:35 PM
Thank you Ernie!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on November 26, 2011, 07:16:46 PM
Yes! Result is great!! :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on November 27, 2011, 01:52:30 PM
Insomnia last night... :-/

I've occupied my time with a silencious work: decals...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on November 27, 2011, 01:58:56 PM
Excellent!! :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on November 27, 2011, 02:27:19 PM
:-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on November 27, 2011, 04:17:30 PM
Thank you mates!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Ernie on November 27, 2011, 04:39:34 PM
Excellent! I like the effect of the German cross under the roundels, did the decals come like that, or did you have to do it in layers, apply a cross decal and then the roundel over it? It does look very convincing though, top work on all that lozenge decaling!
Ernie
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on November 27, 2011, 07:35:17 PM
Ernie,

I've applied the German crosses and then the Belgian roundels over it. The Belgian cockades comes from an old Americal Gryphon decal sheet.

But for my second fokker (to be build yet), I will use masks to make my own roundels...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Ernie on November 28, 2011, 12:16:06 AM
Ernie,

I've applied the German crosses and then the Belgian roundels over it. The Belgian cockades comes from an old Americal Gryphon decal sheet.

But for my second fokker (to be build yet), I will use masks to make my own roundels...

Ah, looks very good!
Ernie
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on November 30, 2011, 09:54:33 PM
Details painting: tyres, wheels, propeller bosse, and the maskol removed from the struts
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on November 30, 2011, 10:04:10 PM
Huge work on small parts...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on November 30, 2011, 10:07:07 PM
Well, those little touches of paints for the Fokker and the Hellcat took me the evening...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on November 30, 2011, 10:09:43 PM
Biiiig work on tiny things!! :-eek :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Profa on December 01, 2011, 06:04:03 AM
Beautiful work, my friend, especially on decals - love that lozenge!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on December 01, 2011, 06:41:30 PM
Thank you! ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on December 02, 2011, 12:00:02 AM
Excellent! :-ok

I must say y'all are making it harder and harder for me NOT to start building WWI machines..... :-flo
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on December 02, 2011, 08:06:06 AM
Thank you Scott!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on December 14, 2011, 08:11:22 PM
The last touch of paints I've forgotten before preparing the aircraft to be airbrushed with clear varnish...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on December 14, 2011, 08:38:06 PM
It look like it will be one of your best WW1 kit in that scale you have?
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on December 14, 2011, 09:34:31 PM
Well... I hope so ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on December 14, 2011, 10:19:28 PM
 :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on December 16, 2011, 10:02:38 PM
Pébéo clear varnish applied
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on December 16, 2011, 10:20:22 PM
Great :-clap :-ok Tomorrow is my day for Pebeo but on Tempest :))
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on December 16, 2011, 10:24:05 PM
Great :-clap :-ok Tomorrow is my day for Pebeo but on Tempest :))

Pébéo is a pleasure to use...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on December 17, 2011, 12:59:32 PM
"Pébéo day" on your side! :)) Few projects from your workbench is close to finish line. ;) It is good news for some kits in your stash. :-flo
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on December 22, 2011, 03:00:01 PM
Oil wash made
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on December 22, 2011, 03:07:50 PM
 :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on December 22, 2011, 03:13:25 PM
This turn into beauty :)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on December 22, 2011, 03:28:44 PM
Yes, it will be the nicest Fokker I've actually built...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on December 23, 2011, 11:02:02 PM
Pébéo matt varnish applied, sponge and masks removed...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on December 23, 2011, 11:12:18 PM
Little miracle my friend :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on December 23, 2011, 11:22:38 PM
Thank you!

Just a bothering thing, but I was prepared to that: Blue Rider decals always provokes a little silvering, even between two varnish sprays... See the thistle and the serial number. Not too visible, but annoying...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on December 24, 2011, 12:29:54 AM
Good job! ;) :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on December 25, 2011, 05:50:57 PM
Thank you Sall!

I have begun the weathering with pastels and ink.

I used Tamiya pastels for the locations where the pilot and mechanics manipulate the aircraft. Not really visible on the photos, but well on the kit ;)

The ink: Citadel Colors Brown Ink. Used for the "pissing oil"... Some photos show that the Fokker D.VII was a big oil consumer, and that oil pissed on the fuselage. I applied drops of ink, than I used Q-tip to expend the oil... I like the final result, that gives life to that aircraft.

Weathering to be continued...

I have also placed the exhaust pipe and the machineguns.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on December 25, 2011, 06:10:14 PM
And a lot of others tiny works left to be done :(
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on December 25, 2011, 06:16:55 PM
Yes mate, but I have time for that. I'm not so far from completion, but other workbenches will have priority and will start this week: the tiny MiG-21 and the not-so-tiny MiG-29 ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on December 25, 2011, 08:39:07 PM
Great effects on this plane! :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on December 25, 2011, 09:01:35 PM
Thank you mate!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on December 26, 2011, 05:09:15 PM
Weathering is finished I think... I've used black aequous pencil, and MiG pigments (dark mud)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Ernie on December 26, 2011, 05:20:14 PM
Very good! Nice attention to detail adding the mud splatters from the wheels to the lower wing :-ok
Ernie
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on December 26, 2011, 05:43:29 PM
Yes, beautiful work and I can't wait to see it all come together!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on December 26, 2011, 06:24:44 PM
:-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on December 26, 2011, 08:37:26 PM
Nice Daniel! :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on December 26, 2011, 08:59:52 PM
Thank you mates!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on December 30, 2011, 07:38:33 PM
Very little, but needed work today... The "Belgian" yellow of the tail
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on December 31, 2011, 08:51:52 AM
 :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on December 31, 2011, 01:05:46 PM
Phase two: masking tape; then red (Gunze H13)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on December 31, 2011, 01:12:46 PM
And soon come last flag color :))
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on December 31, 2011, 01:26:57 PM
And soon come last flag color :))
Sure... Next year! ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on December 31, 2011, 06:27:51 PM
 :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on January 01, 2012, 04:31:27 PM
One year later...  :-green
I finished to paint the rudder.
But when remonving the masks, a strange problem appeared: two marks on the red... I will correct that with a very light sanding and then paintbrush.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on January 01, 2012, 04:39:07 PM
Time is indeed need to make great build ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on January 01, 2012, 04:53:31 PM
;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on January 01, 2012, 04:57:38 PM
Good!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on January 03, 2012, 09:37:34 PM
well, one step behind: I was really not happy with the problem in the red paint. The thiskness of the paint was different on same places. Not visible on the photo, but too much visible in reality.

So here is the result...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on January 03, 2012, 10:01:32 PM
All again :(
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on January 03, 2012, 10:36:28 PM
Well, it is modeling! :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on January 04, 2012, 06:37:36 AM
Well, it is modeling! :-clap

Sure... ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on January 15, 2012, 07:35:56 PM
Back again with the rudder...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on January 15, 2012, 09:07:26 PM
:(
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on January 19, 2012, 08:35:23 PM
First my "Belgian yellow" (symply yellow with a drop of red)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on January 19, 2012, 08:42:47 PM
Hope that now all will be perfect!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on January 19, 2012, 08:44:11 PM
Hope that now all will be perfect!

Yes mate, I hope so too... ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on January 20, 2012, 07:07:43 PM
 :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on January 24, 2012, 09:33:43 PM
As I had problem after having masked red color, this time I've airbrushed black before red  :-green
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on January 24, 2012, 09:54:16 PM
:-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on January 25, 2012, 02:31:39 PM
 :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Dimitris Agios on January 29, 2012, 01:52:41 PM
Do you want some company here?
here is my project 3 fokkers :)
two Dragon kits and one Eduard and.......god help me.. :)



(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos370.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/batboat469-1.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/batboat734.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/batboat478.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/batboat937.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/batboat940.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/batboat932.jpg)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Dimitris Agios on January 29, 2012, 02:01:30 PM
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/batboat941.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/batboat941.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/batboat1050.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos375.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos374.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos061a.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos063a.jpg)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Dimitris Agios on January 29, 2012, 02:03:30 PM
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos064a.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos065a.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos094.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos098.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos103.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos100.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos104.jpg)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on January 29, 2012, 02:06:06 PM
Nice work mate :-ok For what you have used epoxy?
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Dimitris Agios on January 29, 2012, 02:27:54 PM
Thank you mate , epoxy putty is for the seat cansion (i dont know if wrote it corectly) :-/
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on January 29, 2012, 02:54:19 PM
I guess so but I better ask :)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on January 29, 2012, 03:50:37 PM
You welcome here, Dimitris; and incredible work! :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on January 30, 2012, 12:16:49 PM
Yes Dimitris, your work is very interesting and splendid! :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on January 31, 2012, 12:48:52 AM
Welcome to the GB!

Wonderful to watch this thread, I must say.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on January 31, 2012, 09:10:40 PM
Red is airbrushed, this time giving me satisfaction!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on January 31, 2012, 09:15:31 PM
Yeaaaahhhh :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Second Air Force on January 31, 2012, 10:53:45 PM
 :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on January 31, 2012, 11:01:17 PM
You are great master. There is no give up,until you are not complete satisfied! :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Dimitris Agios on February 01, 2012, 09:16:54 PM
Yes Daniel thats perfect!!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on February 01, 2012, 09:17:40 PM
Thank you mates!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on February 02, 2012, 08:57:12 PM
And here is it...  :-love
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on February 02, 2012, 10:26:15 PM
Finally :))
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on February 02, 2012, 11:33:41 PM
 :-tri
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Dimitris Agios on February 03, 2012, 09:26:52 PM
Οk now but how the hell i am going to put them in there? :-think :-wall :-roll

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08437.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08434.jpg)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on February 03, 2012, 09:29:11 PM
I am sure you will make it :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Dimitris Agios on February 03, 2012, 10:14:02 PM
Thank you mate! :)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on February 03, 2012, 10:21:08 PM
Great detailes! :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Dimitris Agios on February 03, 2012, 11:35:21 PM
Thank you Sall!!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on February 04, 2012, 01:56:10 AM
Hardly wait to see how you will assembly all this. ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on February 04, 2012, 08:27:32 AM
Splendid, Dimitris!!!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on February 04, 2012, 09:15:27 AM
Pébéo clear varnish...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on February 04, 2012, 11:33:36 AM
Pebeo :-love
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on February 04, 2012, 12:21:40 PM
Looks realy nice!! ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Dimitris Agios on February 05, 2012, 09:37:14 PM
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos091.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos116.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos119.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos118.jpg)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on February 05, 2012, 09:38:48 PM
Incredible work, mate... :-ok
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Dimitris Agios on February 05, 2012, 10:12:43 PM
Thanks Daniel. :-salut
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on February 05, 2012, 11:31:57 PM
 :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap And seat? :-think
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on February 10, 2012, 09:31:07 PM
On my side, decals applied on the rudder
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Dimitris Agios on February 10, 2012, 11:28:57 PM
Just beauty mate!!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on February 11, 2012, 02:19:18 AM
I agree! Nice progress,go ahead! :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on February 11, 2012, 08:23:48 AM
Thank you ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Dimitris Agios on February 11, 2012, 12:31:49 PM
A small update

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos129.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos138.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos139.jpg)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on February 11, 2012, 03:25:58 PM
Stunning!!!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on February 11, 2012, 03:31:19 PM
Good job. :-clap Here is answer where is seat! :))
One more thing. You made good photos. ;) What you use to make them? What camera,options,light,etc. It is important thing in our hobby,to make good images. Maybe we can open some topic where we explain how we take images. ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Dimitris Agios on February 14, 2012, 08:56:58 PM
Thanks Sall, the camera i use is a simple SONY cybershot, DSC-W100 8.1 megapixels, although it has manual setings (that was the reason i had bought it 7 years ago and the macro ability) i just take picture in auto mode for faster reasons, (you know quick shot ,instand upload in photo bucket and then fast to the forum for my friends). :) :-salut ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on February 14, 2012, 09:10:41 PM
Images are great, no matter camera is a bit older.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on February 15, 2012, 01:45:43 AM
I agree. Photos are great! :-clap
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Dimitris Agios on February 26, 2012, 10:14:24 PM
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08555.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08557.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08558.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08560.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08561.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08562.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08567.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08569.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08578.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08588.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/DSC08590.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos085.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos091-2.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Fokker%20DVII/Rwmanos094a.jpg)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: No.1 on February 26, 2012, 10:19:57 PM
 :-obey :-obey :-obey Miracle work!!! Where did you get this punch tool?
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on February 27, 2012, 06:03:15 PM
Kalimera Dimitris,

You absolutely and completely mad. Not dangerous, but mad... ;)

Great work mate. Splendid. Stunning. Amazing. I think I will drop WWI aircrafts now...
(No, just joking...)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on February 27, 2012, 09:36:36 PM
Great,great,great!!! :-clap :-clap :-clap What a tine parts,what precision,what a work!! :-clap :-obey
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on February 29, 2012, 07:58:20 PM
Oil wash...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on February 29, 2012, 08:35:11 PM
Oil wash day for you mate! :)) Glad to see you again in this topic. ;)
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: draken35 on February 29, 2012, 08:46:53 PM
Always working with "something-to-do-for-a-maximum-of-kits day" :))

Best way to progress when you have too many workbenches awaiting...
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII Group build
Post by: Sall on February 29, 2012, 08:50:45 PM
You are right. ;)