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Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« Reply #435 on: July 11, 2012, 01:34:49 PM »
Excellent job!! :-clap :-clap

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Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« Reply #436 on: July 11, 2012, 01:43:35 PM »
Hi maye,

Very good rendering. Here we see the touch of a real artist !

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Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« Reply #437 on: July 11, 2012, 02:08:00 PM »
Thank you friends :)

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Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« Reply #438 on: July 11, 2012, 05:35:47 PM »
:-ok

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Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« Reply #439 on: July 11, 2012, 05:54:25 PM »
Thank you :))

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Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« Reply #440 on: July 11, 2012, 06:17:15 PM »
This is my aproach to the subject:

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/dimis_2006/Bf%20109/Rwmanos149.jpg
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Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« Reply #441 on: July 11, 2012, 06:28:41 PM »
Not the first time that big manufacturer make mistake...

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Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« Reply #442 on: July 11, 2012, 07:01:05 PM »
Not the first time that big manufacturer make mistake...

Yes, but it must be said that color photos of those planes, untill recently, were unknown and, it's a very good example that on black and white pictures it's very difficult to find the real colors... That let me think that it's the same than for camouflage colors. Many colors are only suppositions... Even by great reknown artits.

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Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« Reply #443 on: July 11, 2012, 07:04:26 PM »
True but strange how could be miss old green colors camouflage with late grey colors camouflage (difference is obvious even on black and white images). Anyway I hope that our friend will note this point and make correct kit.

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Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« Reply #444 on: July 12, 2012, 03:55:29 AM »
Decals are going on the K, with another Monogram G-10 at the starting blocks. I need to get one of these prepared for the release of the new book release by our Nico and Srecko!
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Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« Reply #445 on: July 12, 2012, 07:02:09 AM »
Very good look mate :)

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Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« Reply #446 on: July 12, 2012, 09:05:23 AM »
True but strange how could be miss old green colors camouflage with late grey colors camouflage (difference is obvious even on black and white images). Anyway I hope that our friend will note this point and make correct kit.

Hi mates  :-salut :-salut :-salut,

You'll understand immediately why different colors have same renderings on  b/w prints. The graphs used are those of the color sensitivenesses of films used during the 1940-1950's years. German used almost only panchromatic films aprt from Agfa with their Isochrome (50 ASA or 18/10 DIN which was orthochromatic). Others used also panchro, orthochromatic, panchro-ortho, and panchro-red films (high sensitive at 160 ASA). Contrary to what is always said, ortho films were yellow sensitive but not to red and panchro-red rendered red as a light grey in place of medium grey for other panchro films. There were also ortho-panchro films which were very near the rendering of panchro films.
Personnally I ought to use ortho films several times to reproduce documents the backgrounds of which had yellowed and more with yellow lights. That let the background becoming white on the print.
Kodak had ortho Verichrome (50 ASA) and panchro Panatomic X (25 ASA), Plus X (50 ASA) and Super XX (80 ASA).
Gevaert had ortho Gevachrome (64 ASA), and panchro Gevapan 27 (32 ASA), Gevapan 30 (64 ASA) and Gevapan 33 (125 ASA).
llford had ortho Selochrome (64 ASA) and panchro Pan F (12 ASA), FP 3 (50 ASA) and HP 3 (100 ASA).
Perutz had only panchro  films (used by the PK) : Perpantic (40 ASA), Peromnia (100 ASA) and Peromnia 23 (160 ASA)
Ferrania also had only panchro films : Super Panchro 28 (40 ASA) and Super Panchro 32 (100 ASA)

1) Graphs of sensitiviness (You must note that at the points where two or more graphs intercept the density of grey is the same on the print. Concerning a graph itself, the density is the same at every point where it intercepts the horizontal lines of sensitivity) :


2) Renderings on b/w prints (with different sorts of films and filters at the shooting) For gray paints these graphs are modulated by the prevailing color (green-grey, red-grey, blue-grey, violet grey, etc) i. e. a blue-grey will appear lighter then a green-grey and a reddish grey will be darker than the two others...  It's the reason why it's impossible, under some lighting conditions and at 90%, to distinguish RLM 74 from RLM 82, even from RLM 81 and RLM 65 from RLM 76... and "83" from 75. It's to be noted that the rendering of the different greens employed as camouflage colors is almost the same independently of the sort of film used. It's the same for the contrast...  


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Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« Reply #447 on: July 12, 2012, 09:45:38 AM »
Excellent post :-ok :-clap Interesting that I have considered to arrange one chart with this color conversion.... but much better you did it as well you are top professional and expert in the field!

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Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« Reply #448 on: July 12, 2012, 09:59:00 AM »
Excellent post :-ok :-clap Interesting that I have considered to arrange one chart with this color conversion.... but much better you did it as well you are top professional and expert in the field!

Hi mate,

You may use these charts if you want. French films are missing because French had something else to do during the war years and French photographs (Free French armies) were taken with British or American films. For the period 1939-1940, I may give you the different French films used.
Legends must be translated...

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Re: Bf-109 Group Build-All Variants
« Reply #449 on: July 12, 2012, 05:49:57 PM »
:-ok