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Let Let Let - Warplanes => Ground Forces => Topic started by: Second Air Force on February 18, 2012, 04:51:59 PM

Title: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on February 18, 2012, 04:51:59 PM
Time to start the thread on the SdKfz 181 Ausf.E build.

As some of you have read in earlier posts, this early-production Tiger was recovered by U.S. forces in Tunisia and shipped to the United States for testing at Aberdeen Proving Ground. It is still in existence today and is currently in Great Britain. There is some controversy (that I don't really know much about) surrounding this vehicle and its eventual return to the U.S. for museum display.

The real connection for me is that my father was part of the 1st Armored Division maintenance team that recovered and repaired this machine in Tunisia in the spring of 1943. More on that later.

Here are the principal elements I've gotten rounded up to build this monster:
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_8695.jpg)

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_8939.jpg)

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9051.jpg)

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9208.jpg)

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9292.jpg)

I'll start some "in progress" photos at a later time.

Scott
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Sall on February 18, 2012, 05:02:37 PM
 :-ok
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: No.1 on February 18, 2012, 06:46:26 PM
This will be build with great background!!!
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on February 18, 2012, 09:45:39 PM
Yes, this will be a nostalgic build for me. Dad spoke of working on this Tiger a number of times when I was younger and I wish that I had written down his talks.

I was amazed at how much information there is on the web pertaining to the Tunisian Tigers, especially this vehicle and the British one that is now at Bovington.

I reckon that Tiger 712 is the only AFV still intact that I can confirm my father worked on. As such, it holds a special place for me.
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Sall on February 19, 2012, 01:10:52 AM
I love builds with story behind! And yours is very personal! Go ahead mate! I will certainly enjoy,hope you will to! :-flo
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on February 20, 2012, 04:26:21 AM
It's been many years since I built any kind of armored vehicle so I decided to do the repetetive work up front. The Tiger has a LOT of road wheels and these all had a molding seam on the tires that needed to be removed. Since the Unimat was waiting to go to work these were all chucked into the lathe and the seams were removed with this fine file. Much easier than sanding!
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_8852.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_8853.jpg)

Next the tires were painted and set aside to let the paint cure. Then the masking template was used to paint the front and rear of each wheel set with Panzer grey. These early tanks had the desert yellow/brown camouflage applied after the tank had originally been painted with the grey so I gave these a coat of grey also.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9030.jpg)

Next I started on the lower hull, installing the road wheel swingarms and the final drive housings for the drive sprockets. In this photo you can see how the factory sprayed the entire hull with red oxide-style primer, then oversprayed the visible areas with Panzer grey. My research and several photos I've found suggests that the red primer didn't get completely overcoated in some areas that were not visible, thus the red showing on the hull bottom and under the fenders.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9031.jpg)

Of course after getting this all done I had to try dry-fitting the sprocket and wheels to get a feel for what is to come. Also I tried the kit-supplied rubber track but didn't care for the way it rides on the road wheels. The AFV Club individual track segment kit was just the ticket for a replacement as I've shown on another thread.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9123.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9234-1.jpg)

The wheels and sprockets next got a coat of Afrika Braun camouflage. This will be enhanced later and is the first topcoat to be applied.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9230.jpg)

The final installment for this post is to show the AFV track temporarily installed with the inner road wheels. Notice that the inner wheels don't have a full coat of the sand color as the painter was not able to fully coat them with the outer wheels installed.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9232.jpg)
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: No.1 on February 20, 2012, 07:02:40 AM
This went so good mate :)
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Sall on February 20, 2012, 12:18:01 PM
Very good post from you side Scott. I love when i can see soooo much informations about one build. Anyone who want to build something like this, can found great informations with easy. Bravo,and great progress!! :-clap :-clap
Also,glad to see that Unimat is in use!! :-tri :-clap
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on February 21, 2012, 07:24:06 PM
Yes, the lathe likes to be operated as often as possible. It is like most machines that would rather work than just sit around.

Here's a little more update on the build. First a couple of photos of the idler wheels and drive sprockets after putting them together and the road wheel swingarms prior to installation. On the real thing there is a torsion bar that attaches to each swingarm and goes across the hull of the tank to fasten on the other sidewall. The tracks are kept at the proper tension by an adjusting mechanism at the idler wheel spindle.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_8848.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_8849.jpg)

These are the elements of the turret that come with the kit. Really, this should only be built with the hatches closed since the detail is so lacking. However, I wanted both hatches open so the majority of the interior will be from the spares boxes. There are excellent resin detail sets to superdetail the Tiger but I decided not to invest two times the price of the model in an aftermarket kit.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_8885.jpg)

And, finally for this installment, a shot of the hull top during the first stage of work.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_8887.jpg)
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: No.1 on February 21, 2012, 08:06:43 PM
Parts look so precise so it look like this will be easy to assembly :)
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on February 21, 2012, 08:15:59 PM
Yes, it's typical Tamiya where fit and exterior detail are concerned--GREAT! This isn't the newest or most technological SdKfz 181 kit on the market, though, and the age shows with the lack of interior detail. I don't find this a problem at all, but if someone wanted to build a really detailed Tiger there are better kits available today. This kit offered the exact configuration I needed to build Dad's tank and I can easily work around the missing interior stuff.

The photo of the hull deck shows a LOT of holes where Pioneer equipment, tow cables, and other equipment goes. These are nicely molded in the kit but I'm not using any of these items. 712 was found intact but with a broken drivetrain. Apparently, when the crew was forced to abandon it they took all the tools and cables along with them. All of the holes have now been filled with styrene sprue and a touch of filler in anticipation of using the Eduard PE stowage brackets.
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: No.1 on February 21, 2012, 08:17:42 PM
The most important point is that kit is correct, other things are less important (at least for me)
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Sall on February 21, 2012, 08:31:05 PM
 :-ok :-clap
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on February 21, 2012, 08:37:22 PM
I agree, No.1.  Thanks for the support, Sall! :-flo

There were two definite configurations of the Tiger in Tunisia, the  "first" or "initial" production and "early" production. The first few that were sent to North Africa were initial type and the second batch was of the early type. 712 was early production with some initial production elements and this tank gives the option to build it that way.

There is some erroneous information that this tank was originally numbered 112 and later renumbered 712. This information has been proven incorrect. Tiger 112 carried the serial number of 250012. Dad's machine was actually 250031. Photos of 112 and 712 show that they definitely had many different details, 112 being initial production and 712 being, as I stated earlier, an early production tank. It's rather confusing since the instrument panel from 112 somehow got installed in 712. I have wondered if the American crew had to take parts from other machines to prepare 712 for operation and that was when the panel of 112 got installed. No way to know--I wish Dad were still here to ask!
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on February 24, 2012, 06:18:21 PM
Here's a hull-and-turret post. I'm not really getting much done on this or the SAAB B 17 because our garden is taking up my time right now. Here in Oklahoma I can plant peas, radishes, onions, and pototoes this time of year.

First, the interior of the hull. This is truly only basic detail rather than the full interior that is offered by various manufacturers. I am only attempting to block off the sides and bottom of the fighting compartment for the casual viewer, not for contest quality. The only two openings that will be available to the open eye are the two turret hatches. These early Tigers had an off-white interior color with the red primer at the bottom section.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_8927.jpg)

The turret sides and mantlet were then assembled and the top set in place temporarily.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_8886.jpg)

Next, just to check the fit, the top of the hull and turret were set onto the hull for a visual check. All modelers want to see how it will look, don't we!? :-jump
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_8888.jpg)

The turret needs a small modification to properly represent 712. On most early production tanks there is a hatch on the right rear of the turret, used to load ammunition and as another escape hatch. 712 had the same configuration as the initial production machines, having a small-arms gun port in this location rather than the hatch. I simply glued the hatch in place and sanded/filled it smooth, then added the gun port. Tamiya provides two of these ports (thankfully) so this is quite easy.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_8894.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_8897.jpg)
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: No.1 on February 24, 2012, 08:03:10 PM
Gun rear detail are basic but look good. Crisp work anyway, good to rest after other works :-ok
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: draken35 on February 25, 2012, 08:34:43 PM
Absolutely amazing work!!! :-ok
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Sall on February 25, 2012, 09:08:01 PM
Really nice!! :-ok :-clap
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on February 25, 2012, 09:53:28 PM
Thanks, y'all.

The gun does give the basic shape and detail, No.1, certainly it's a good start for detailing. I dug through the spares and found several items to add some extra elements to the turret. A number of these parts are from a Revell Polaris submarine that I glued together in the early 1960s. It turns out that nuclear powerplant parts work pretty nicely in a Tiger!

The first item in modifying the turret was to build the floor section. On the real machine the fighting compartment rotated with the turret so I cut out a circular sheet of styrene and used some Eduard sprue pieces for the three supports. The item you see on the floor will eventually be part of the drive mechanism for the turret and came from the Polaris kit remains.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_8918.jpg)
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Sall on February 26, 2012, 12:18:44 PM
Ha ha ha... :)) Nice job mateee!! :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: No.1 on February 26, 2012, 12:51:58 PM
Strange but even as plastic kit it look danger!
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on February 27, 2012, 05:01:13 PM
When my father told me about crawling around on the Tiger he always mentioned how formidable and intimidating this machine was. His maintenance unit had seen first-hand what a Tiger could do to a Sherman, Lee, or Grant. Dad's unit was a front line battalion that repaired/reworked/scavenged knocked out and damaged 1st Armored Division tanks after the Germans had savaged them with 88s and tank battles. He always mentioned that if the Germans had had more Tigers, and if their drivetrains had been more reliable, the British and Americans would have lost a huge number of machines to them.

On the modeling front, I'm currently working with the EXCELLENT Eduard photoetch set right now. This is a great addition to the model that I wasn't going to invest in at first. I'm really glad I purchased it after using some of the parts!
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: No.1 on February 27, 2012, 05:04:04 PM
Thank you mate for sharing this first account story from your dad :-ok
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on February 27, 2012, 07:23:55 PM
I'm glad to share what I remember. I must say that some of my information may not be 100% correct, but I'm trying to keep the details as accurate as possible. Dad told me of getting Tiger 712 operational at various times for many years. His remarks were always the same but I never wrote down any of it at the time. So, my memory may not always be exact in what he told me, and he may have missed some facts himself. I've been endeavoring to use research materials on the web to confirm what dad told me over the years. So far it's been pretty much as he told me.
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: draken35 on February 27, 2012, 09:30:01 PM
History is always more exciting when your relatives were involved...
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Sall on February 27, 2012, 09:50:29 PM
Nice story! :)
Quote
History is always more exciting when your relatives were involved...
True. :-flo
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on February 28, 2012, 06:46:52 PM
History is always more exciting when your relatives were involved...

The interesting thing in my case is that I doubt very much I could ever find a U.S. or British AFV that dad worked on, but this captured Tiger was a part of his life for a week or two. I'm slowly finding a little more information about this episode and am working on researching it through the Aberdeen Proving Ground records. This was where the tank was shipped for testing and examination here in the States.

A small turret update. Again, as mentioned earlier, this isn't a perfect representation. Instead it is a "junkbox" detailing. The two crew hatch openings are so small that I just couldn't justify buying a complete resing interior. Especially so since the finished model will be in a display box in our home. The crew seats are from the kit and the rest of the pieces are either Polaris submarine parts or styrene and aluminum shapes. You might say this is made from table scraps in a way! The neat thing of this is that my dad helped me build the submarine when I was a little fellow, so this whole thing goes full-circle in a way.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_8924.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_8926.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_8925.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_8928.jpg)

In the second photo you can see a nice copy of a German drawing of the turret interior. This, and many others, I found here: http://tiger1.info/ Lots of good research material published on this website and I am indebted to the author for his hard work.
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: No.1 on February 28, 2012, 07:00:11 PM
Hey- this is attractive :-ok By the way- gun barrel have visible join line or... ?
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on February 28, 2012, 07:19:59 PM
Yep, there is a big seam on the gun. I was too lazy to remove it :-roll since it sits in such a way that it is invisible when the top is glued on the turret. The only thing you can really see through the hatches is a little of the breech and the scratchbuilt catch-basket.
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: No.1 on February 28, 2012, 07:39:23 PM
;)
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Sall on February 28, 2012, 09:57:16 PM
Great job! :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on March 05, 2012, 05:20:53 PM
I've been diverted from this model of late, but here are a couple of photos showing further progress. First is an overall shot of the assembled hull and turret showing the process of filling all of the tool mounting holes. This is in preparation for installing the Eduard PE stowage brackets and attaching points.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9069.jpg)

After all the holes were plugged and smoothed the PE application could begin. First is the Tamiya top deck screens. I had bought these earlier and applied the rear screens before I got the Eduard set. The Eduard screens are actually much nicer, but the Tamiya parts were already installed so they'll stay.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9070.jpg)

I practiced with the Eduard parts on the turret bustle. These are FANTASTIC to work with and will really add to the final product. Notice on the second hatch hasp that there is an actual padlock provided!
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9386.jpg)

More on the hull PE later.
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: No.1 on March 05, 2012, 06:14:44 PM
Nice upgrades, I have feeling that it will look like real one once when completed :))
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on March 05, 2012, 07:18:20 PM
The Eduard set is really quite fun to work with. Some of the tiny pieces are a bit maddening at times, but well worth the effort and patience in the end. I can't wait to start on the track fenders. These were bent up quite a bit when the U.S. troops found the tank abandoned and I can easily model this with this nice, soft, metal PE.
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Sall on March 05, 2012, 08:41:06 PM
Tiny parts,but they will look really nice when you finished this kit. ;) Go ahead!! :-clap
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on March 06, 2012, 04:48:32 PM
Thanks, y'all. :-flo

Here are a few more pictures of PE installation and the story behind why it looks like it does:

This vehicle was abandoned by the crew due to mechanical malfunction in the driveline. The photos taken of it just after being acquired by the Americans show that nearly EVERYTHING that wasn't welded to the hull was missing. Tow cables, survey poles, fire extinguisher, radio antenna, Pioneer tools, etc. were all gone, evidently salvaged by the German troops when they had to leave the machine. The theory is that there wasn't sufficient time to further disable the tank but just enough time to strip it of accessories that would be needed and in short supply. With this in mind, and the photo evidence in front of me, I decided to purchase the Eduard kit and install all the brackets, clips, and so forth with nothing to stow in them. That's why the tank will look relatively stripped and uninteresting when finished, just like it did when Dad was working on it.

First, the rear hull. This tank was missing the exhaust shields. Other photos of Tunisian Tigers show these were often damaged and sometimes removed. Also the Feifel air filters had been removed during the short service life of this tank. These were somewhat troublesome to maintain and were not always installed during operation, probably depending on the crew's or maintenance people's inclination. The silver bits are Eduard, the white bits are scratchbuilt styrene. I've also placed the left rear mud guard and one of the track fenders in this photo.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9390.jpg)

Left side of hull, again showing the new bracketry with nothing to stow in it. Still to be added when this photo was taken were the many stowage clips for the small tow cable that mounts to the hull side.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9380.jpg)
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Sall on March 06, 2012, 05:24:14 PM
Excellent work mate! :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: draken35 on March 06, 2012, 06:27:45 PM
:-ok
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: No.1 on March 06, 2012, 07:17:21 PM
Much of interesting info in your post mate and I like nice parts fit :-ok
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on March 07, 2012, 07:29:13 AM
Here are a couple of photos of the front of 712. The Tigers that were used in Tunisia had some interesting non-standard features on them. These were some of the earliest machines off the assembly lines so there are a lot of variations in little details from later production models. The spare track/extra protection stowage is interesting. Someone simply welded heavy steel rods onto the hull and dropped several track links into the improvised holder. The center segment of track on this particular tank was from either a PzKw III or IV. There are also variations of the fenders and other items. One area I had to modify on this tank was the two vertical plates on either side of the lower hull (just inboard of the drive sprocket gearboxes). On this early production machine the towing clevises were located differently and the plates are of a different shape than later examples.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9387.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9384.jpg)

I've got to do some searching for better Panzer IV track links. What you see in the holder is three links from a vinyl track and it isn't very realistic. Somewhere in the scrap box is a section of plastic track from the same model........I hope!
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Sall on March 07, 2012, 09:24:00 AM
Nice ! :-ok
This spare track on hull is interesting. ;)
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on March 07, 2012, 05:39:13 PM
The track stowage varies a lot from one Tiger to another on the Tunisian vehicles. This is another reason I'm really enjoying building this model.

There is a wealth of information on the Tiger on the web, done by researchers that are extremely committed to studying the details of this machine. I've enjoyed much reading about just the Tunisian detachment and history of these few tanks.
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on March 10, 2012, 05:41:44 PM
First try of the final color shade. This "desert sand" paint is rather elusive. I have a color photo of a Tiger in Tunisia and RLM 79 seems to match best.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9442.jpg)
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: No.1 on March 10, 2012, 05:43:14 PM
This look good mate :-ok
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: draken35 on March 10, 2012, 05:46:47 PM
Looks great for me too!
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Sall on March 10, 2012, 08:34:27 PM
 :-jump
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on March 12, 2012, 05:32:05 AM
Nothing left now but to prime the entire model with some lacquer primer and check for flaws. Next up will be to begin painting the camouflage colors.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9453.jpg)
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Sall on March 12, 2012, 01:57:43 PM
 :-ok
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: draken35 on March 12, 2012, 05:23:37 PM
:-ok
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on April 11, 2012, 02:23:51 AM
The Tiger project has been semi-dormant for the last period. I picked up the paint gun last evening and sprayed on the base coat of camouflage.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9846.jpg)
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: No.1 on April 11, 2012, 06:36:54 AM
:-ok
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Ernie on April 11, 2012, 11:46:16 AM
Very nice paint work Scott :-ok
Ernie
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: draken35 on April 11, 2012, 05:39:04 PM
:-ok
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Sall on April 11, 2012, 06:26:31 PM
Look great and very detailed!! :-clap
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on May 07, 2012, 08:01:48 AM
I made up my mind that tonight was fender-skirt time. The Eduard PE set has lovely individual skirt segments, perfect for this project. You see, when the U.S. troops came upon Tiger 712, four of the eight skirts were quite bent and twisted. Very good photos of the right side of the tank exist, and one rather grainy shot of the left is also in my references, enough to accurately bend my metal parts into the right shape. It would be a lot harder to make these bends with the plastic skirts included in the kit.

First a photo of the four parts that make up one skirt with an assembled unit above:
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9990.jpg)

Now, the left side skirts and the photo:
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9986.jpg)

And all eight completed assemblies, ready for primer and paint:
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9991.jpg)
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Sall on May 07, 2012, 09:34:23 AM
 :-ok
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Ernie on May 07, 2012, 11:47:32 AM
Excellent Scott, you have done a masterful job of matching the damage on the real vehicle!
Ernie
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: No.1 on May 07, 2012, 11:54:58 AM
Excellent!!! What do you use for priming metal?
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on May 07, 2012, 04:04:46 PM
Well, I wiped the parts down with lacquer thinner and then sprayed them lightly with grey lacquer primer. I then tested it with some masking tape on the undersides to see if the paint adheres strongly. It still wants to lift off the metal surface but not as badly as I had feared it would.
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: No.1 on May 07, 2012, 04:38:23 PM
Thank you for tips mate :-ok
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on May 07, 2012, 04:59:02 PM
I think that if I had used the "unsticky" 3M tape we're using it might not lift the paint.
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: draken35 on May 07, 2012, 05:29:55 PM
:-ok
Title: Re: Tunisian Tiger I (My Father's Tank)
Post by: Second Air Force on May 07, 2012, 06:02:16 PM
Here's the final result for the skirts. They'll be mounted to the hull later and weathering applied then.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9998.jpg)
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Post by: No.1 on May 07, 2012, 06:15:06 PM
:-clap
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Post by: Second Air Force on May 13, 2012, 06:32:15 AM
Finally, some decals! The photos of Tiger 712 show that there are other markings on the turret, specifically an 8 and 1 are visible. This tank was renumbered during a consolidation of equipment. The painters partially obliterated the earlier numerals and painted the later numbers over them. On the model these numerals will be oversprayed with a thin coat of paint to obscure them.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_0015.jpg)
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Post by: draken35 on May 13, 2012, 07:03:13 AM
:-ok
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Post by: Sall on May 13, 2012, 07:20:52 AM
Go ahead! :-ok
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Post by: No.1 on May 13, 2012, 07:22:34 AM
:)
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Post by: Second Air Force on May 16, 2012, 04:27:33 AM
Here are the overpainted numerals on both sides of the turret. Next will be another coat of clear gloss, then the 712 decals.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_0023.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_0025.jpg)

No source I've found knows exactly what the third numeral was that was overpainted. There isn't any evidence of this on the photos and the 1 is very faint also.
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Post by: No.1 on May 16, 2012, 06:27:58 AM
Very good effect :)
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Post by: Sall on May 16, 2012, 08:08:00 AM
Yes,great effect. ;)
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Post by: draken35 on May 16, 2012, 06:52:22 PM
:-ok
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Post by: Second Air Force on July 21, 2012, 09:23:48 PM
Over the past couple of months just small progress on the Tiger. The turret numbers and Balkenkreuz are applied and flatcoated. The next step, and one I'm still studying, is staining and weathering to properly replicate how the tank looked when my dad worked on it.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_0374.jpg)
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Post by: No.1 on July 21, 2012, 09:35:18 PM
I guess you will need thin spray on top with pale sand or off white, to make sun fade color
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Post by: Second Air Force on July 21, 2012, 10:05:03 PM
The odd thing about this tank is that it was in that part of Tunisia that is more temperate and doesn't really seem to have as much fading as it does dirt and grime. The photos of it "as-found" show mud on the tracks with trees and grass around it. This is the reason for my study, getting the weathering done correctly will have a lot to do with the historical accuracy of the build.

This photo, as best I can tell, was taken after dad's guys got it operational for test-drives:
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/DadsTigerinTunisia-1.jpg)
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Post by: Ernie on July 21, 2012, 11:51:35 PM
It does look as if it has a good accumulation of dust built up around the surfaces of the hull, fenders and turret roof. One of the best ways to probably go about replicating this is too use pigments and as in the photo use a brush to sweep them around the surface and allow them to accumulate around the raised details of the hull.
Ernie
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Post by: Second Air Force on July 22, 2012, 01:06:34 AM
Yes, and notice all the dark areas, especially around the loader's hatch, where grubby hands have darkened the edges. It'll be fun to get the little details worked out.
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Post by: Ernie on July 22, 2012, 04:31:19 AM
A perfect example also is the commanders hatch, you can see the darkened areas where the GI has his hands and the areas correspond to his range of motion. Very cool!
Ernie
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Post by: draken35 on July 22, 2012, 06:25:36 AM
Splendid!
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Post by: No.1 on July 22, 2012, 07:15:46 AM
You will have a lot of job to get this look but good that method is well known :-ok
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Post by: Sall on July 23, 2012, 11:42:30 AM
Look nice so far. ;) :-clap
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Post by: Second Air Force on August 11, 2012, 11:16:15 PM
I remember now why I don't build armor models--lots of wheels!!!! Today I finally started the process of adding grime and grit to the sprockets and road wheels. The initial step is with a water based artist's paste in burnt umber. I've never used this type before and experimented a bit with the proper thinning. A mix of water and alcohol works the best, but getting the correct formula took some time.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_0567.jpg)
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Post by: No.1 on August 11, 2012, 11:25:12 PM
Lot of wheels  :-razz :-smey :))
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Post by: Second Air Force on August 12, 2012, 07:32:35 AM
I've been ignoring this project for a long time because I didn't want to start weathering the road wheels and tracks. I had plenty of time to concentrate on this today so here is another update:
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_0574.jpg)

The tracks came molded in an appropriate rusty color. On the inside of the tracks, where the tires "polished" them, I sprayed a light coat of Metalizer Exhaust shade. On the outside I gave the links a dirty wash with very thin black. After that dried it was time to hand brush a coat of Metalizer Magnesium to the tread bars. After the magnesium dried I used some silver/grey powder to highlight the bars a bit more. Tomorrow I'll experiment with another light wash on the outer face of the tracks.

The sprockets and tension wheels were silvered on the teeth and rims with a silver Prismacolor pencil, then this was rubbed to remove some of the material.

The next step will be with pastels to accumulate some grime, but I believe this will wait until the tracks and wheels are assembled on the hull.
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Post by: No.1 on August 12, 2012, 07:46:30 AM
Prismacolor are good for that, nice effect mate :-ok
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Post by: draken35 on August 12, 2012, 09:31:51 AM
Excellent!!!
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Post by: Sall on August 14, 2012, 11:09:32 PM
Excellent result! :-clap :-clap
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Post by: Ernie on September 04, 2012, 03:32:38 AM
Looks good, the worn silver on the sprockets and wheels looks really good.
Ernie
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Post by: Second Air Force on September 04, 2012, 04:35:34 AM
Thanks, everyone!

This has actually gotten little attention lately. I need to press on and finish it.....but I'm still considering some of the weathering it needs.
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Post by: Second Air Force on December 04, 2014, 04:31:32 PM
I cannot believe it is over TWO YEARS since I have done anything on this! And, even now, I'm not really working on the Tiger......

I've had a PzKW IV ausf D in storage for years (I'd forgotten it completely) so it has been decided that I will build this in Afrika Korps desert colors as a way of practicing the weathering process I'll use on the Tiger. This is an easy build, actually, being an old Tamiya kit. The big drawback on this one is the rubber tracks but I'm not going to waste time on individual link tracks since it is a test model.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/SACDecember14001_zps76a16f80.jpg) (http://s174.photobucket.com/user/2AF/media/SACDecember14001_zps76a16f80.jpg.html)
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Post by: No.1 on December 04, 2014, 04:36:41 PM
Better don't ask me how many projects I start and never completed...
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Post by: Second Air Force on December 04, 2014, 04:41:56 PM
Ha! I know that number is large at my house!!!! I do know I must finish dad's Tiger and maybe now I will be inspired to do it.
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Post by: draken35 on December 06, 2014, 11:32:49 AM
Same for me, mates: lots of kits were begun...
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Post by: Second Air Force on December 06, 2014, 02:01:51 PM
Even in the last month I was going through some storage boxes and found several partially finished projects from the 1990s, mostly racing cars.....

Actually, the Mk IV that I just posted the photo of was a donor kit for a different project that I never really worked on. I intended to use the tracks and wheels from the Panzer on an Italeri 1/24 Opel Blitz truck to convert it into a Maultier halftrack. Nothing ever came of that project so the tank is now assembled! ;) I will even build the Blitz one day I reckon......
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Post by: Second Air Force on December 18, 2014, 12:19:50 AM
Now the Mk. IV has the same base colors as the Tiger and is ready for the next step, oil washes. Once the oils are applied I will be at the same stage as the other tank and will start with pastels on the IV. Hopefully my learning curve will be easy and I can then transfer my new knowledge to the Tiger.....
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/D520First002_zps40228db0.jpg) (http://s174.photobucket.com/user/2AF/media/D520First002_zps40228db0.jpg.html)
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Post by: draken35 on December 21, 2014, 04:27:49 PM
Your PV IV is beautiful...
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Post by: Second Air Force on December 21, 2014, 04:58:02 PM
Thanks, mate! It is really more of a "test subject" for weathering the big machine...... ;)
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Post by: modellius on December 21, 2014, 10:15:58 PM
Looks nice !
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Post by: Second Air Force on January 04, 2015, 04:47:52 PM
Still experimenting, working with both oils and pastels to gain knowledge. I'm still not ready to transfer to the Tiger yet......
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/He-51Begin006_zps3fec7870.jpg) (http://s174.photobucket.com/user/2AF/media/He-51Begin006_zps3fec7870.jpg.html)
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Post by: No.1 on January 04, 2015, 04:55:58 PM
Can't see anything  :-think
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Post by: draken35 on January 20, 2015, 07:43:20 PM
Good work with oils, Scott. For pastels, don't hesitate to use pastels that are more contrasted. See my Mirage: I used sand pastel for the dark brown as an example...
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Post by: Second Air Force on February 11, 2018, 09:34:58 PM
Three years and a month later, the Mk. IV is done, ready for weathering. Second round of practice before I start to work on the Tiger.
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Post by: No.1 on February 11, 2018, 09:46:08 PM
Lets see it :))
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Post by: Second Air Force on February 12, 2018, 01:28:49 AM
Okay, pastels applied. Photos outside later.....
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Post by: draken35 on February 12, 2018, 01:03:49 PM
Nice work, Scott 😉
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Post by: modellius on February 12, 2018, 07:44:46 PM
nice work. I would do some panzer grey chipping, these early panzers come to Africa in grey and they were painted on front,  very often with british colors from captured stocks and the paint peeled off heavy from desert weather.........
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Post by: Second Air Force on February 13, 2018, 01:08:06 AM
Thanks friends! You're right, this should have more chipping and grey showing through, but it was a test mule so I could learn how to weather a desert tank. Now I'll use the practice to start on the Tiger.

Daniel, I've watched your uses of pastels for quite a while now and you're my "tutor" on this method.
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Post by: draken35 on February 13, 2018, 06:27:28 PM
😉
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Post by: Second Air Force on February 18, 2018, 11:47:12 PM
Overcast afternoon, but here are a few photos of the "test tank". I also must state that this very old Tamiya kit was easy and fun to put together for me. I bought the kit for just a few dollars at a model show and it turned out to be a good investment.
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Post by: draken35 on February 19, 2018, 06:01:36 AM
:-ok
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Post by: modellius on February 19, 2018, 05:26:46 PM
good !
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Post by: No.1 on February 23, 2018, 08:21:30 AM
Lovely  :-love :-love :-love