LetLetLet ~ Warplanes
Let Let Let - Warplanes => Combat Warplanes => Topic started by: Nico Braas on November 28, 2007, 01:16:11 PM
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Here are two photos of a nicely looking and highly polished high wing passenger plane.
Can you identify the type?
I know what it is and No. 1 knows; it is now up to you to find out.
And.............there is no civil registration you can check with Google!!
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It it a modified version od A-26 Invader for passenger transportation
eric
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As Eric said, it seems to be an A--26 converted into a passengers transport. I found this on the web, it might help:
http://72.30.186.56/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=a-26+civilian+passenger&fr=moz2&u=www.hill.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp%3Fid%3D5657&w=a-26+civilian+passenger&d=ReWFlfL9P1JR&icp=1&.intl=ar
If it is the same plane we're talking about, it was seized by US MArshalls due to marijuana smuggling. A nice kit conversion if you think about it :-jump What would you use to simmulate weed?
Cheers,
Javier
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Correct! It was in fact an ex-USAF Martin A-26B Marauder bomber (no. 41-38281) converted into a civil transport plane by Rhodes Berry Co. Los Angeles CA. Known as the 'Silver Sixty' it was flown as a prototype in 1960, but only one was built. It carried the civil registration N5510V. It must have been quite a hot ship to fly!!
And by giving the correct answer, it is now your turn to put a photo of a 'mystery plane' on this forum!
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Or this...
http://www.airsceneuk.org.uk/hangar/2004/marksman/marksman.htm
Cheers,
Javier
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Nice idea. I like these quizzes and you can learn a lot while doing them :-ok
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And how about this :-cool
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Douglas B-18?
http://www.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/061205-F-0000G-001.jpg
PS. The A/B-26 was called the Invader, not the Marauder (which was the Martin B-26).
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That was a Dougkas A-26 in the first quiz and a Douglas B-18 in the second. Great pics. Fun quiz
Mark
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Bonsoir a tous
and With your permission
what do you think abour this one ?
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o319/SPA124BRUNO/quiz.jpg)
Bruno
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Airabonita mesje Bruno :))
And Skyraider give good reply :-ok
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Nice shot of the Airabonita!
Here's one for you guys... :-green
(http://skyraider.allaboutwarfare.com/files/russia/S.jpg)
Good luck!
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Hello,
This has to be one of the hopeless Curtiss attempts to improve the P-40 and update it. Curtiss tried and tried to make the P-40 into an updated warplane on a par with the P-51 and others, but without success. Incidentally, pleeeeese don't anyone say that the P-51 was developed from the P-40, it wasn't as any aircraft designer or aerodynamicist will tell you.
Best wishes,
PV Chairman.
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Nope, I'll give you a hint: it was a bomber/recce aircraft. Never went into production.
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Sorry, I am a little late. This is by my info Bolkovitinov type "S". Engine was called "Sparka" and he carry verticaly mounted FAB 100 bombs.
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I dont have a clue...but im on a very interesting item now. If i win it it will be the start of my non wwi plane photo collection and i will show it here. :-green
good night
Kilian
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Yes it was the Bolkhovitinov S :) Well done!
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Thank you Ron :-ok I will find something new and then wait for Wingman.... its look like he have something interesting :-tri
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Meanwhile an easy one!
(http://data4.blog.de/media/698/1893698_86c2d04c5c_m.jpg)
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Nice try but... our precious moderator Santino have some time ago made nice post and uploads regarding to this project :)
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Let's try another easy one: can you identify this??
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Ex-Dutch Indies DC-5 :)
Back at ya!
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It's the North American NA-16 prototype!
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Any idea on this one?
To be honest I don't even know myself what type it is.
It is pre-WW II and it might be German!
So.....new data are welcome!!!!!
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Wow- now we have real challenge :-clap
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lol Nico...you must be able to read my mind!!!!! :-obey
Arado L-Type Trainer and Sport plane? would be then around ca~ 1930
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It's the North American NA-16 prototype!
Haha, not so quick, that's not the NA-16! :)
Very very close though... ;)
Your entry indeed appears to be the Arado L II: http://www.histaviation.com/Arado_L_II.html
Very good!
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I'm sure you'll guess the NA-16-ish in no-time, so meanwhile here another challenge!
Cryptical hint: find out who to find out what... ;)
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Look like Fokker V.1 :-crazy
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Look like Fokker V.1 :-crazy
Isnt the guy with the cap Fokker himself? :-think
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You guys are very good! Next time I'll have no mercy! :-green
Yes, it's Anthony Fokker on the right next to the Fokker V.1.
Now what's the precise designation for that NA-16-lookalike? ;)
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Hey mate- can I ask you for hi res scan of the V.1 image :-red About the previous airplane I will download image and take a detailed analyse. I know that this plane was even convert into the single seat fighter.
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I found it via Google: http://images.google.com/images?q=fokker+v-1 ;)
And if you search for NA-16... now I've said too much! :))
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Dank U Vel :-wave
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North American NA-18 (Export version of AT-6C Texan) ? :-green
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Hello
May be a North american NJ-1 :-think
At least its a similar one
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o319/SPA124BRUNO/northamericanNJ-1.jpg)
Joyeux noel a tous
Bruno
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Salut Bruno.
Problem with NA is they are all kind of similar :-green and their model specification digits are highly confusing to me. NJ-1 is only Navy variant of BT-9
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There's only one man on earth who can sort em all out by heart, and that's Doug MacPhail. He's been teaching me for years and I still have trouble! :)
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All right- I check my data :-think there is a great number of variation and this one might to be NA-18, prototype tested for Argentina. Sample feature forwrd firing machine guns, no aerial must...
Ronnie :-wave Is this the type?
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I've consulted with Doug and Nico was right all along: the photo I posted was the NA-16 afterall! The site I found it on (Aerofiles) has it labelled wrongly. The NA-18 had a different engine and the back seat position is different. Sorry for the mix-up... the NA-16 series is one big minefield! :-red
The NJ-1 is indeed an NJ-1 though :)
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As always Nico give the best result :-ok And what about image he post? Still no idea?
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Let's try now a REAL challenge!!???
Any guesses?
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Wait the Arado challenge ist not solved yet !! :-green
I need to see an Arado L-I Trainer to compare it with L-II, unfortunately i couldnt fnd any in the web until now.
As announced this picture is the start of my post WWI collection. It depicts L IIa 58 D-1873 Took part in the Europa-Rundflug 1930, DVS Braunschweig (Pilot Stutz),crashed at Pau on the 23d of July. Its stamped on the back with Arado Handels GmbH, Werft Warnemünde, so im very glad having obtained it :-love
Its also covered in the link someone here already gave:
http://histaviation.com/Arado_L_II.html
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This post is going like a run-away train. :-clap :-eek
By time I start my research, bang! theres the answer and we are off again.
Great going guys :-ok I can see this post running for sometime :-wise
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Wingman81, the Arado L I is a different plane altogether: http://histaviation.com/Arado_L_1.html
So that one is solved - it was the L II :)
Here's the real NA-18, so that one's solved too. On to Nico's plane... looks very familiar! Hmmm... let's think... :-paper
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Have fun guys, im offline until thursday and merry christmas. :-wave
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Have fun guys, im offline until thursday and merry christmas. :-wave
:-tri Merry Christmas to you as well Wingman81 :-tri
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A bit more up-to-date.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VVA-14
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Too easy for people like yourself :-red
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Hehe yea that was an easy one, but Nico's last one is still keeping me entertained. I am 100% sure it's German and if I'm not mistaken it's an AGO. But which one...?
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Haha, my memory didn't let me down. It's the mockup of the AGO FP-30 (Ao 225).
Okay here's my reply to that one...
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Friends- we did not set any rules here and that why is interesting but how about following tip: do not place next question until previous did not answered? If you agree lets see about Nico Braas image. Huuuh... look like one French project but can not get name in the moment. Interesting configuration, like Yugoslav Zmaj R-1 ;)
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How about one rule?: Whoever guesses right places the next mystery plane :)
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This will be nice :-ok In this way Eric owe to us one mystery photo :-roll [no problem- he is busy now with work on book :-clap ]
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What about the Fokker PJ-2?
Though.......by the time this type was manufactured Fokker was not any longer involved and maybe we should call it the General Aviation PJ-2. The PJ-1 was same type with pusher propellers!
That fuselage was indeed the AGO 225 mock-up.
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You are good! :-ok
Go on, stun us with your next mystery!
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(...) :-green
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Here is mine's.
Don't know for certain which type it exactly is!
Just to give you a hint: it is -most likely- French!
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Hmmm... has similarities to both CAMS and Latecoere designs... :-think
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I agree that it could be CAMS... but which one :-wall
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CAMS 30 Trainer ?
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Heres a christmas special for the quiz :-green Craziest video ive seen for ages :-eek Find out airplanes used in this old funk video from the 80s:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmbmPalsRi4
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I feel we have stuck here... :-wall
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I feel we have stuck here... :-wall
What will we do with unsolved ? Maybe Bruno will come up with something for the (french?) waterplane.
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Hello all
I am not specialist but I think that N°1 is right -That flying boat is probably a C.A.M.S type 37
may be reconverted for civilian use
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o319/SPA124BRUNO/CAMS37.jpg)
I take this opportunity to wish you a very good new year 2008 for you and all family
Bruno
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I believe it could possibly be a Cant 10ter.
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I believe it could possibly be a Cant 10ter.
:-wise
Looks more like it. And it would explain the 2 holes in the bow. Could be like Bruno said former observers nest modified for civil transport use?
http://guide.dada.net/modellismo_statico/interventi/2005/11/231264.shtml
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Hello
I think that the Rudder of the Cant dont match wiith the photo
I know that one version the CAMS 37/12 have a four place enclosed cabin
(one built only)
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The Rudder yes, but everything else matches so could be a modification of this plane.
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Verner- congratulation for this nice scale drawings!! :-ok
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I think that Verner is right
look at this Cant ter: http://vintage-aviation.hp.infoseek.co.jp/italy_cant-10_1926.jpg
this time the rudder match the photo!
Bruno
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Let's try this one- Cheers
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An old Grumman transport plane?
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Nope Sorry
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Civil planes are out of my range but this one look like Spartan Cruiser :-crazy
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Absolutely Correctamundo. your turn now. :-obey
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Thank you mate. Here it is one from me :-wave
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Hello N°1
PLEASE BE INDULGENT WITH ME ! My abillity to recognize post ww1 aircraft is near to ZERO
But may be ... this plane could be a Breguet 19B2.....
Cordialement
Bruno
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Yes it is Breguet XIX :-wave :-ok
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What do you think about this strange one ?
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o319/SPA124BRUNO/quizz.jpg)
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Logo on verticaL look like "Ikarus" from Yugoslavia :-think
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Bonjour
Not an Ikarus
In fact I confess that this plane is not easy to guess!
It was built in 1930 by an obscure French designer in a sole examplary for a precise purpose that appears clearly on the photo
As a Hint I give here the site where you can find it (1000 photos :-green)
If not guessed this evening i'ill post another quizz more easy
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Shumaker/Shumaker.htm
Bonne journée a tous
Bruno
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No. 7150. Guillemin JG 40 (c/n 01) :-green
Your hint gave it away, i suggest you post the next one anyhow. Great page, i didnt know it so far.
Bon week-end ! ;)
Kilian
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Hello kilian
Dont see that the Guillemin was the first of list!! :))
Ok I post another
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And what do you think about this one
(I hope it is not too easy for all these experts on let let let......)
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o319/SPA124BRUNO/quizz5-1.jpg)
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Bleriot 127 ;)
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Hi mate :))
this is one from me
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Looks like a SAIMAN, possibly a SAIMAN 200 or 202 although I'm suspicious about those wing struts.
PV Chairman.
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Looks like a SAIMAN, possibly a SAIMAN 200 or 202 although I'm suspicious about those wing struts.
PV Chairman.
sorry... it isn't ;) :-wave
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Hello
considering camouflage and rudder markings, I would say an Italian training bi- plane but what ID ????
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it is one italian aircraft for sure ;)
for help you other 2 images
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Ok thanks for the Hint, santynus
I think its a C.A.N.S.A C-5 trainer
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sorry... it isn't :-green :-wave
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Ok I come back with my ww1 aircrafts :-wave
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Could it be a Caproni 164 ?
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Could it be a Caproni 164 ?
congratulation verner!!! :-clap
yes it is :-tri
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How about this?
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Hello Verner
I think that may be.. it's a Brewster XSBA-1
cordialement
Bruno
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That's it. Very good. I have it listed as XSBA-1 and another pic with it named SBN-1 but don't know which is correct. Cheers
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Bonjour
I dont know if this one will be difficult for you but I find it was a very strange plane :-razz
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o319/SPA124BRUNO/letletquiz.jpg)
cordialement
Bruno
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Hi, is the caproni stipa ;)
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Yes Santynus Good :-clap
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Hi all... :-wave
another from me... :-green
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May be an Aeronca ??
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sorry... not is an Aeronca :-wave
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Hi santynus.
Is it italian? :-help :-green
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Yes is italian :-tri
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Macchi M.16?
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Yessss it is Bravo Verner :-jump :-clap
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This was really nice question!!! Macchi M.16 :-obey
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Hi all...
another strange plane from me... ;) :-wave
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AP-1 ?
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Try this.
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No idea about this jet plane...
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Sorry for my delay... your answer is correct, it is a CAPRONI CAB AP1 – CAB=CANTIERI AERONAUTICI BERGAMASCHI
about your aicraft look like one experimental aicraft for the study of airflow on the wing... for sure is one stol aircraft...
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Time to end. It is a "Ball-Bartoe Jetwing" Don't know anything about this AC , just thought it was strange. If anyone has any info on this, please post. :))
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Sorry that it's out of turn, but I can not research as fast as you lot :-wise
I bet you get this one very quickly. :-roll
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I dont know...is it a Westland model?
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Image look somehow familiar but can not get any idea what this could be :-wall
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I dont know...is it a Westland model?
It is a Westland :-ok but which one :-think
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may be the Westland Wessex?
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See I said you were all to good for me, well done santynus :-obey :-obey
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I always thought that Wessex is helicopter only :) Great work Santino ;)
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thank you friends :)) :-wave
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I always thought that Wessex is helicopter only :) Great work Santino ;)
Yes this damn helicopter gave me hard times in finding the Plane with google image search :-green
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Santy you have something new for us? ;)
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Guess this please :-green
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Could it be the Curtis Falcon :-think used for intermediate pilot instruction at NAS Jacksonville in the 1940's?
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Yep :-ok Curtiss SNC Falcon. This one is at the Naval Air Base, Corpus Christi, Texas 1942
You are next :-green
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Ok try this:
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mmm... :-think maybe... it is one De Havilland DH. 80 Puss Moth? :-wave
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De Havilland 85 "Leopard Moth" :-green
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De Havilland 85 "Leopard Moth" :-green
:-obey :-obey :-obey - :-ok
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Try this one :-cool
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Nobody? =)
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Look like this :-red all right- I will take some time later to get this :-think
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Your last chance, i will solve it tonight at 11 PM so we can go on :-cool
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Ok...this is the Udet 12b D-822 with a Sh14 motor 115 HP. Udet used this plane 1933 when he was touring on his second trip to the US. :-cool
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Next is easier i hope
;)
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I only know for the Udet airplane "Flamingo" is this the name. The lower one.... single seat Alpha Jet?
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I only know for the Udet airplane "Flamingo" is this the name. The lower one.... single seat Alpha Jet?
You are right Flamingo is nickname :-ok And alpha jet is correct....portuguese i guess tiger meeting. You are next :-salut
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All right ;)
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How about this :-cool
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I know it. Its a model in your kitchen :-green
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NO, it's NOT a model in the kitchen! In fact it is an original company release photograph!
Plane will be subject of a website article!
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NO, it's NOT a model in the kitchen! In fact it is an original company release photograph!
Plane will be subject of a website article!
Just kidding my friend :-joke If i knew it i would have given a better answer ;)
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hi all :)
mey be the Saunder-Roe SR-53 :-green :-wave
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Yes mate!!! Now go ahead ;)
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another from me... :-green :-wave
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I listed all I have about the Italian airplanes and did not find anything similar... is this some prototype?
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yes is one prototype, is one italian evolution of one english aircraft... :-green :-wave
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Has it to do with a Sopwith Bulldog? Thats what first came to my mind but then i noticed it must be something italian :-cool
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Looks sorta like a Blackburn Lincock.
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yes is one evolution of Blackburn Lincock... the italian company project and made this new version after recive the production license... one little help... after the WWII this italian aircraft company made one of the most famous motorcycle in the world... ;) :-wave
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You mean Piaggio? :-green
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yep ;)
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Piaggio P.11 (Prototype)
http://www.giemmesesto.org/settori/aerei/PiaggioP11/piaggioP11.html
Was a bit hard to find info and more images of it :-cool
I hope you could translate a bit of this for us.
Kilian
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So it is verner turn to give next airplane ;)
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Here goes:
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Look like scaled down PZL.24...
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He He but no :)
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I know I know... very nice image ;)
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A hint is "USA made".
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Something like this is made for air races but can not be sure :(
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Yes you're right. It's a Cessna C-3
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Cessna... I will never get correct name. Please give us another shot :)
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Try this one.
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It's the Fairchild XBQ-3. It was an AT-21 crew trainer converted as a radio-controlled flying bomb.
Three were built.
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Bingo-good one.
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AND NOW THIS ONE..........................
Any guesses?
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To regret you have left the caption of the image... XP-57 Shark.
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Did this on purpose! There NEVER was an XP-57 Shark fighter!!
Next try??
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No problem in this way, this one is good. Sorry for my comment mate ;)
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Is this in your basement?
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No! Illustration was used for a WW-II recruitement poster.
Found it on Internet.....
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Maybe an Aeronca on steroids? :)
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Just to give you a hint: most of what you see on the plane is 'added on' and engines, main wheels, nose section and canopy are all FAKE.
However, they have used a plane as a base and my question is : which one?
To give you another hint: it is a little bit related to the previous type in this quizzzz!!!!
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His nose is similar to P-40, so could it be the answer?
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XPQ-13 ERCO Ercoupe not Aeronca
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Correct!!
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How about this one:
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A modern Spad? :-green
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Maybe P-3 fighter? US have many of interesting projects.
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It's the Verville-Sperry R-3 Army racer
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I think Nico is right :) Verner- what is your decision ;)
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Found photos of this type in Reed Kinnert's series of Racing Planes (Vol.I).
Guess it's my turn again for another quizzzz photo.
Can you identify this mean looking machine?
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So this is predecessor of the later nice shaped bomber shape such as Havoc ;)
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Would like to have a more specific reply on this!
Plane had absolutely NOTHING to do with the Havoc!!!
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I know Nico- just first impressions :)
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Sorry for tardinees-was ill. Yes is R-3
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I still haven't seen the correct answer on the last Quizzzzz picture, so it may be a little bit too difficult!!
Just to help you all another shot of this type.
Assume it's now a pice of cake!!!
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Bonsoir
I think that this "piece of cake" is something like a Fleetwings XBQ-2A radio controlled
Isn'it ??
Cordialement
Bruno
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Yes, correct!1111111111
Your turn!////////
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Ok
And what do you think about this one ?
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o319/SPA124BRUNO/letletquizz.jpg)
Bruno
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Is this enough :))
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Bonjour
Heu.. Yes I think that it is enough :-green
I would just say it is a Curtiss
at your turn!
cordialement
Bruno
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:-cool :)
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Looks like an early Do-17
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Yes it is ;) Actually this is Do17K. Your turn now :))
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OK Let's try this:
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Belgian Renard R-32? (Maybe; I'm not sure)
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Yes indeed. It's the inline engine version. Don't know how many were made.
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Only one Renard R-32 was built. It was an inmproved version of the R-31, but it showed to have no further advantages and was soon reverted to production R-31 standards.
It's my turn again for a new Quizzzzzz photo; this time an easy one!
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Pandre Postjager?
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NO!
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Is a Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 Sparviero
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NO!!!
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In first moment I think that it could be Ju352 but shape of windows is not the same :-think
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For the life of me that I don't know what airplane it is... It's not the Postjager, too big for that but it looks like some sort of high altitude research plane, look at those tiny windows... And engines seem to be of the Bristol type, look at the triangular bracing they have and the frontal exhaust collectors... MMM, misterious indeed!
Cheers!
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Is it italian? :-think
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No, it is not. I also think this in first moments.
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I think can be French or Dutch :-think
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Or country in neighborhood :))
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Just to give you a hint: it's Belgian!
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If this one is still too difficult: another shot of this plane with a side view.
This one must be easy now!
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Renard R.35?
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Correct.....at last!
Your turn for a new Quizzzzz picture!
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try this one :) :-wave
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a little help... ;)
it's Italian :-green :-wave
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I know but...
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ok... another little help... light bomber... with two 400 HP Bristol Jupiter engine... ;) :-wave
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ok... :-/ this aircraft is a Caproni Ca.74G Light bomber, later redesignated Ca.80 :-wave
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We are in general very bad informed about the Italian types :( How to change this?
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Santynus shall teach us ;)
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We are in general very bad informed about the Italian types How to change this?
I want to change a little bit that... :-/ but my english is very poor... :-think and for me is very difficult write some articles about italian aircraft... :(
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Hhhhhmmmm... and what about Soey for text editing? Also Mick is here ;)
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Hhhhhmmmm... and what about Soey for text editing? Also Mick is here ;)
Always willing to help :)) :-wave
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And how about this?
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Japanese :-love
One of my favorite subjects :-love
Kawasaki Ki-10 - Perry
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Nice :) And correct- you are the next ;)
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Sorry I don't have better photo...
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Ki-17 ?
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Sorry Verner no it is not Ki-17...
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Must be a Nakajima trainer aircraft of WWII. ;)
[Edit]Correction. Tachikawa Ki-9 :-green[/edit]
But the third prototype had an Nakajima Motor. Due to engine tourbles this type was abandoned, the sucessor was Ki-17 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachikawa_Ki-17).
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:-clap :-clap :-clap
Correct Wingman :-ok
You are next :-wave
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Alright here is next ;)
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Ar-95?
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Yes too easy :(
Verner is next :-wave
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OK here goes
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oops
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Here is another view.
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Huuuh... :-think :-wall
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Thats difficult. Late 20s?
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Correct :)
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One of the photos I recently obtained.
Can you identify this?
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Aircraft I submitted was a Messerschmidt M-22.
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Oh now that you mention it ;o