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Let Let Let - Warplanes => Combat Warplanes => Topic started by: Letipapa on February 03, 2008, 02:38:15 PM

Title: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Letipapa on February 03, 2008, 02:38:15 PM
Let us see this baby :) I made  over 80 photo's, it'll get time to post it, but then we will have them in our treasury. :) :-wave
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: mfg495 on February 03, 2008, 03:36:01 PM
Great images, keep them coming  :-ok
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Letipapa on February 03, 2008, 10:44:29 PM
Thank You mfg495 :-salut, here I go:
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: No.1 on February 03, 2008, 11:03:08 PM
Excellent!!!
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Wingman81 on February 03, 2008, 11:11:44 PM
What is this big opening in third last picture? its only on one side i noticed.
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Letipapa on February 03, 2008, 11:51:14 PM
@No.1, thanks Boss! :) :-obey :-wave I hope that these pictures have a lot of useful details hence to illustrations.

@Wingman81Well, I am not an expert, but I think that it is an air intake, I would say for carburetor (and it looks very similar to that on the Fw 190 -could it be that they are of same type? :-think)
Another intake is on the front part of the belly of aircraft -supplaying air for radiator (for cooling).

I continue :-wave
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: samuraj77 on February 04, 2008, 02:34:29 AM
This is a great photo session,keep up the good work...
Little off topic
JRV had several types of Gustav in use,but unfortunatly this is the only one preserved,others finished their duty in steel scrap-yard and there are some data that one was sold by museum authorities (Yugoslav air force at the time)  :-bat  (think it was G-10),maybe No1 has more details about Gustav's use in JRV. :-wave
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: No.1 on February 04, 2008, 08:01:11 AM
You are right about G-10. He has been sold for the 100.000 of USD. To regret a lot of important airplanes was destroyed much before in the early '50 :(
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Letipapa on February 04, 2008, 01:49:21 PM
It is not off the topic if it is about Yugoslav Me Bf 109, (even if not Yugoslav). Look, I am puttung this pfhoto's here, and discussion should develop naturaly, no metter some offs. :) :-wave

Now, here is one more mosaic, and details of nose section (some are lightend on purpose to see better details of panels etc.) :-salut :-wave
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: No.1 on February 04, 2008, 02:14:04 PM
Do you have plans to put other details of the airplane  :-cool
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Letipapa on February 04, 2008, 02:27:25 PM
And more of left nose side with two details of an air intake (the black and white one is very lightened so even screws on a circular edge can be seen) :-wave
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Letipapa on February 04, 2008, 02:46:39 PM
Of course, but there is so much, and I go in order, but OK, here is a tail :-wave
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: santynus on February 04, 2008, 05:35:09 PM
great images Letipapa  :-clap
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Post by: Leo on February 04, 2008, 08:43:32 PM
 :-wise
Any idea on how the museum obtained the Gustav, or anything about its service history.  The Gustav was fuel injected, therefore no carburetor.
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: No.1 on February 04, 2008, 09:39:13 PM
Yugoslavia operated number of Gustav after the war. Some were result of the war prize and coming from Croatian or German side and some are get after the war from Bulgaria. One know sample is the Romanian airplane escaped after the war.
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Letipapa on February 04, 2008, 11:23:34 PM
@santynus, thank You man, I appreciate. :) :-wave

@Leo thank You very, very much. I do not now many things.

So, now what is this air intake for, then? :-think :-think :-think
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: No.1 on February 04, 2008, 11:35:32 PM
Air intake for engine direct injection system  ;)
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Letipapa on February 05, 2008, 12:10:29 AM
My sweet Lord! No.1 has everything. :-obey :-obey :-obey :-ok :)
What a drawings, what a treasure! :) :-clap :-clap :-clap

Am I wrong, or this engine is turned upside down, tops of the cylinders are down? :-think

And, I continue. Here is right side of the airplane (I had to cross the border and walk on a forbiden side. Nobody saw me, mission complered. :-salut)
 :-green :-wave
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Wingman81 on February 05, 2008, 01:01:21 AM
As for the motor of 109g3 and 109g4 i read in the pdf, one coolant exchange tank on the left and right engine bracket. One coolant cooler under the right and left wing. Automatic cowl flap with compressed oil via thermostat.
Switch-off of the coolant cooler out of the cooling circuit after a "damage" possible with the help of switch-off valves. Cowl claps ("Kühlerklappen") connected with landing flap (air break).

gzus this aviation vocabulary is hard to translate. I hope its a bit understandable   :-think
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Letipapa on February 05, 2008, 10:30:31 AM
Thanks Wingman81 :-clap :-clap :-clap
Now it would be nice if we find what of that is seen on this photo's.
On black&white ones there are numbers:
1. = I call it radiator -so what it really is? {I have also enlarged detail that shows hexagonal hive like structure (I forgot exact word in English for that -you know where the honey is kept by bees :)). I'll post it after}.
2. = Left side positioned air intake for engine direct injection system.
3. = Coolant cooler under the right and left wing (as You sad in the last post). They are on last two photos here.

Now, there are some structures that I wonder what they are. Signed by numbers 4 and 5, they are in pairs. Whats that? :-think :-think :-think
And also those little holes, covers and "pipes" I signed with the question mark.
Maybe I am entering too much in details and they might be not so important. But pardon me, I am so curios. :-think :-think :-think

And, please, nobody answered, is the engine for this airplane with the cylinder tops on the bottom, and working axis on the top? (What is the exact name for that type of engine in English, and in Deutsch? :-think)
 :) :-wave
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Letipapa on February 05, 2008, 10:35:43 AM
Just a little bit of coolers with a "radiator" detail.
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Wingman81 on February 05, 2008, 01:03:06 PM
I think you are right Letipapa. It is written here it had hanging cylinders so that above you had more space to install guns (2xMG 17) fired through propeller blades. Between the cylinder benches there could be installed 1xMG 151/20 which was installed in the empty propeller shaft (thats interesting). Additionally 1 MG151/20 could be placed "under" each wing. So there must have been something like a gondola to carry them.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler-Benz_DB_605

see in the pic how where they were installed.
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Letipapa on February 05, 2008, 01:28:36 PM
Oh, thank You Kilian :-obey :-OK , wonderfull link (how in good condition is that DH 605 engine :-eek), and this drawing. :-clap :-clap :-clap
It was amazing airplane -5 possible guns. HeheeeJ! ;)

I also started to look about engine and i found this photo's (also airplain and engine in flying condition).
Source: http://www.taphilo.com/JG26/index.shtml
 :-wave
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Wingman81 on February 05, 2008, 05:29:05 PM
 :-clap :-clap
Thanks pictures of the DB in wikipedia are from Luftfahrt Museum Laatzen-Hannover (http://www.luftfahrtmuseum-hannover.de) it seems. Another one i can add for my tourism project list. Drawing is from the pdfs Santy found thank him.  ;)
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Letipapa on February 11, 2008, 03:01:35 AM
Hey Wingman81, one of my sisters lives in Frankfurt am Main, and I ask myself shouldn't there be a big museum or so, judging to gigantic airport and air traffic? :-think If You now or have some on Your touristic list please note me, OK?
Now I put some more photo's of Me Bf 109G-2 from Aviation Museum in Belgrade. :-wave
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: mfg495 on February 12, 2008, 05:40:57 PM
Again excellent images  :-ok
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Letipapa on February 13, 2008, 03:24:19 AM
On Your service, fellows, on Your service.

Thank You very, very much mfg495,  its so encouraging. :-salut :-obey

I hope somebody will like to have them in his collection, and hope that they could be of some use (details etc.). I'll keep on visiting our museum here and from time to time post my photo's. I hope I don't push to much with a number of them. I like to shoot a lot (always thinking that nothing is so bad to not have it photographed), if possible every part, every detail, angle, distance, light. Some are more technical, some more artistic and some just photo documents of aircraft and its parts.
And, believe me, it is not enaph to shoot just one session. One allways forgets something.

Oh, I talk too much. :-blah

I'm glad You liked it.  :-wave
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: No.1 on February 13, 2008, 09:18:38 AM
Any material from you is much appreciated :)
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Letipapa on February 14, 2008, 11:51:10 AM
Oh, thank You No1, thank You all mates. I really feel like home now. :-ok :-jump, and soon I'll open a new theme with some photos. :-wave

Until then, I have one question. It is about this strange underwing detail. Is it kind of pitot pipe device or what? :-think It seems it is fixed to the aileron (see last photo). Any answers (and forgive me if my question is ridiculous :-red -I'm not an expert).
 :-wave
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: samuraj77 on February 14, 2008, 12:13:26 PM
Good job Letipapa :-ok
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Letipapa on February 14, 2008, 02:41:30 PM
Hey, thank You mate. :-obey You know, the next is Jak-3 (by the way, did You find those photo's of Jak-3 specific details and elements, You needed some time before? :-think).

Now there are some shoots of front landing gear. :-wave
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: No.1 on February 14, 2008, 03:18:33 PM
Great :)
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Letipapa on February 14, 2008, 04:11:48 PM
Thanks chief, :-salut, and here is one more mosaic (this one is not so nice I would say, lot deformed etc), in which are some interesting details like second photo that show some holes on the attacking side of left wing (obviously something is missing from there, but what? :-think :-think). Next photo shows how very simple was pitot pipe, and finally, the last photo: "Ladies and gentlemen (any Ladies on this forum? :-think) his lowness the king of the bottom, master of the runway, the lasttouchible: Tail Wheeeeeeeel!" :-jump :) :-wave
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Wingman81 on February 16, 2008, 02:44:18 PM
http://www.adlertag.de/bilder/g2belgrad/g2_belgrad.htm
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Letipapa on February 17, 2008, 01:03:01 AM
Aaaa, Haaahaaa! :) Fantastic pfhoto's. :-clap :-clap :-clap Thanks Wingman81 :-ok :-wave
Title: Re: Me Bf 109G-2 in Aviat.Mus Belgrade
Post by: Letipapa on February 29, 2008, 12:04:38 AM
I took this one passing by, when shooting Yak-3.
 :-wave